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Old 02-18-2009, 12:11 AM   #1
Colin McLafferty
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Venting on a Vegetarian

In class yesterday I was enlightened by a vegetarian student that eating meat is unhealthy. He made one interesting point: he said to raise a cow it takes approximately 400 kilos of food and another astronomical amount of water. However, I doubt we're feeding the cows people food (probably grains and um, ANIMAL feed). Also, it struck me as funny that he is the only obese male in my class yet he was lecturing us on health. The obese female in my class bought all of it and agreed with him immediately that eating meat is unhealthy. Blegh. Sorry had to vent. I understand all vegetarians are not like this and that most of them DO live healthy lifestyles unlike the health expert in my class.
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Old 02-18-2009, 02:05 AM   #2
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Re: Venting on a Vegetarian

I am doing all I can to get on the PETA eats too much meat hit list. At least this was the running joke today I went with.

I've heard the same rhetoric but it's been said grass-fed is far more sustainable.

As if to the argument that there is too many people, I'm all for sensible population control. There isn't a need to have half a dozen to a dozen children anymore especially if you can't support them. Let's just not go there.
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Old 02-18-2009, 05:14 AM   #3
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Re: Venting on a Vegetarian

Actually, I do find the "it takes X amount of feed/water to raise beef" argument interesting, in that cattle are probably not the most ecologically sound livestock to raise, and I appreciate that, actually. Doesn't stop me from enjoying a good steak, mind you, but I do feel like beef is eaten in greater proportion than is strictly necessary considering the beef industry does actually use a ton of resaources and land.

Of course, that just makes me say "what other critters could we eat, and how could we feed them?"

Take, for example, the guy who raises pigs in Nevada, feeding them the leftover food thrown away by casinos at the end of the day. Recycling and tasty pork all in one!
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Old 02-18-2009, 06:09 AM   #4
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Of course, that just makes me say "what other critters could we eat, and how could we feed them?"

Take, for example, the guy who raises pigs in Nevada, feeding them the leftover food thrown away by casinos at the end of the day. Recycling and tasty pork all in one!
Well here is an option... deer hunt. Venison is extremely lean and quite tasty... and one average sized buck/doe will yield enough meat for a 3+ months. Do a quick search on the nutrition facts, and compare them with beef... very surprising

Also, it is my understanding that most vegetarians are actually quite the opposite of healthy... few take the time to square away meals to receive the correct essential amino acids, etc. It takes too much work to be a vegetarian... sooo glad I'm not one.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:45 AM   #5
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Re: Venting on a Vegetarian

Go into almost any health food store and look around. What you will usually see are pale, overweight, and usually irritable people who think they are better than everyone else who can't launch into lengthy and detailed polemics about how what everyone else does is wrong.

As far as resources, what is the problem? Are we running out? Seems to me grass is, and always has been, renewable.

There are deeper social and philosophical issues involved, that would likely get me into politics, so I'll leave that part be.

If they want to talk about hormones, antibiotics, and cows eating other cows, I'm fine with that. If you eat Kosher, you take care of all of that. Organic will do it, too, depending on how they define it.

Between meat and potatoes, though, I think most people who study this would blame the potatoes first for both obesity, and health risks.

You won't convince this person, though, so just smile politely. He has plenty of places to rant, no doubt, so he doesn't really need you. You're just a target of opportunity. Remember, he's like Dr. Science: He knows more than you do.
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Old 02-18-2009, 09:30 AM   #6
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Re: Venting on a Vegetarian

OK, every time there is a vegetarian thread, I am going to repeat my vegan cat lady story.

Our vet told us that a vegan customer asked to make her cat a vegan. The vet tried explaining that Frisky had several million years of evolution as a predator, and would not thrive on tofu and seaweed. Finally the lady exlaimed, "but animals eating other animals is just not natural!"

I think most vegetarians/vegans come at it from an emotional angle, and use health arguments as a rationalization. Compassion is a fine human trait, but some people are incapacitated by an excess of it.

As for chubby, just look him over and say, "so why isn't it working for you?" Then offer to buy him 400 kilos of hay. Cows and other ruminants eat grasses that humans cannot digest, so he'd probably lose weight.
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Old 02-18-2009, 09:30 AM   #7
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Re: Venting on a Vegetarian

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He made one interesting point: he said to raise a cow it takes approximately 400 kilos of food and another astronomical amount of water.
Which is why I eat mostly Bison, venison, pork, chicken and lamb.
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Old 02-18-2009, 11:10 AM   #8
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Re: Venting on a Vegetarian

Here is a wonderful article on the fallacies of being a vegetarian. It's a little bit long but very interesting. (WFS)
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Old 02-18-2009, 12:48 PM   #9
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Re: Venting on a Vegetarian

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Here is a wonderful article on the fallacies of being a vegetarian. It's a little bit long but very interesting. (WFS)
OMG...just below the "definition" section....just below where they define pesco-vegetarian and pollo-vegetarian.....when they talk about how many vegetarians begin in college and why....that was me...exactly! That article just exactly described me and why I became a pesco-vegetarian. And I was one for 28 years (until October/November of 2008).

Great link.
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Old 02-18-2009, 01:19 PM   #10
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Re: Venting on a Vegetarian

Making an ecological argument is one thing, but arguing that consuming animal flesh in and of itself is unhealthy is another argument. Humans are omniverous.
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