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Old 11-15-2010, 12:26 PM   #1
Hunter Molzen
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Starting Strength: Big Reset, or Move on?

Hey guys,


I've been doing SS for about 3 months now.


I've made very decent gains in the squat, deadlift, and clean.

My press and bench (which were disproportionately strong to begin with)

have not progressed much at all.



Now, for about the last month due to illness, and busy work schedule, I've definitely been slacking on the sleep and nutrition, as well as only making into the gym about twice a week (sometimes all three times).


Here's my dilemma.


I'm stalling on all the lifts (except the squat, but I feel like my form is degarding there).


So do I

A.) Do a big reset and clean up my eating/sleeping

B.) Move on to the Novice / Intermediate program, and still clean up my eating/sleeping.



I would just do a big reset,

but I looked at the strength charts from rippetoe, and for my bodyweight,

I'm above or at all intermediate level strength standards.


Weight: 195lbs 12%BF


1RM

Press: 155lbs

Bench: 220lbs

Power Clean: 200lbs

Squat: 325lbs

Deadlift: 340lbs




So given my current levels of strength,

do you think I could benefit from more time on the beginner's program?

Or should I move on to the novice/intermediate?





And yes, I know I need to get the food and the sleep. I'm working on it.
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Old 11-15-2010, 01:29 PM   #2
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Re: Starting Strength: Big Reset, or Move on?

Reset. IMO the Rippetoe chart is misleading. You should definitely be able to milk linear progression for a while longer.
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Old 11-15-2010, 01:43 PM   #3
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Re: Starting Strength: Big Reset, or Move on?

I wouldn't even bother with a large reset, maybe a deload week, maybe a slight reset.

Linear progression is the best way to get strong quickly. Any intermediate or advanced programming will be slower progression.

If you're going to clean up your nutrition and sleep anyway, I can't think of a single reason to go off linear progression for something that is by definition slower progression until you're convinced you've taken all the LP you can.

If I were you I wouldn't change programming yet.
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Old 11-15-2010, 02:08 PM   #4
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Re: Starting Strength: Big Reset, or Move on?

Agree with those above. Although you're reasonably strong I doubt you're anywhere near the limits of linear progression, ESPECIALLY on the squat and even more on the deadlift. My deadlift is about 25 lbs less than yours and my squat about 55 lbs less, but I weigh 60 lbs less than you. Linear progression is still working, and I'm not doing pure SS... just linear progression in conjunction with metcons, runs, and working/going to school 50-60 hours per week. Also not eating to add mass.

A reset won't hurt anything, a switch to an intermediate program will cost you more time in the long run.
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Old 11-15-2010, 02:25 PM   #5
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Re: Starting Strength: Big Reset, or Move on?

The strength charts have nothing to do with it. I am advanced for my lifts by those charts. I just spent the weekend with Rip at the SS cert. Doesn't matter what my numbers are. I can still make linear progression. I am a NOVICE.

Reset. If your progress has stalled it's either a screw up on your part or the end of linear progression. You've already admitted that it is a screw up on your part. Eat. Sleep. Train when you are supposed to train. Otherwise, YNDTP and then why waste your time?
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Old 11-15-2010, 02:31 PM   #6
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Re: Starting Strength: Big Reset, or Move on?

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YNDTP
YNDTP = you're not doing the program....?
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Old 11-15-2010, 02:36 PM   #7
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Re: Starting Strength: Big Reset, or Move on?

Alright thanks guys. I'm going to go ahead and do a reset.

Even in the clean and squat where I haven't stalled, my form has been suffering
(particularly on the clean)


I've flat out stalled on the deadlift, bench, and press.


So I'll just go ahead and do a reset, hit the food and sleep hard, and see what more I can get out of my LP.


I was hoping to hit atleast a 400+lb Deadlift, so maybe i still can.


another question though.


Do I microload from the start on the resets for the clean, bench, and press?


Or normal load to my former weights, and then microload?
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Old 11-15-2010, 02:50 PM   #8
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Re: Starting Strength: Big Reset, or Move on?

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YNDTP = you're not doing the program....?
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Alright thanks guys. I'm going to go ahead and do a reset.

Even in the clean and squat where I haven't stalled, my form has been suffering
(particularly on the clean)


I've flat out stalled on the deadlift, bench, and press.


So I'll just go ahead and do a reset, hit the food and sleep hard, and see what more I can get out of my LP.


I was hoping to hit atleast a 400+lb Deadlift, so maybe i still can.


another question though.


Do I microload from the start on the resets for the clean, bench, and press?o


Or normal load to my former weights, and then microload?
Microload. One of the easiest ways to screw it up is by making jumps that are too big. Especially if you've flat out stalled and have other issues to fix, don't risk screwing it up by making bigger jumps.
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Old 11-15-2010, 02:54 PM   #9
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Re: Starting Strength: Big Reset, or Move on?

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Do I microload from the start on the resets for the clean, bench, and press?
Or normal load to my former weights, and then microload?
I am on a reload right now as well, my plan is to go with regular bumps in the weight until the next reset, then I will microload from there.....

unless a more Knowledgeable person gives different advice.
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Yep.



Microload. One of the easiest ways to screw it up is by making jumps that are too big. Especially if you've flat out stalled and have other issues to fix, don't risk screwing it up by making bigger jumps.
That works for me! Micro it is!
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