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Old 09-09-2010, 09:59 PM   #21
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Re: deadlift 1rm

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Disagree. Bad technique is always dangerous. Will you always get injured when using bad technique? Certainly not, but that doesn't make it safe and proper.

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You won't necessarily get hurt. But immense pressure is put on the discs on the lumbar spine when you deadlift like that. Why risk it IMO
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Old 09-09-2010, 10:01 PM   #22
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Why risk it IMO
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Old 09-09-2010, 10:18 PM   #23
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I don't know the lifter so I can't say for him- but for a lot of guys, the curved back isn't really dangerous when, say, done every few months going for a max. Depends on just how strong you are.
Right....but when Konstantinovs has a little rounding while pulling over 900lbs, he knows what he's doing and some thoracic rounding can be tolerated. The OP should not be accepting that kind of rounding for a 300ish pound pull, it definitely was not by design.
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Old 09-10-2010, 02:38 PM   #24
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I don't know the lifter so I can't say for him- but for a lot of guys, the curved back isn't really dangerous when, say, done every few months going for a max. Depends on just how strong you are.
The amount of rounding in that video, for any lifter, anywhere, of any skill/strength level, is dangerous.

I am not saying Max deadlifts won't have some rounding, but this is not "some rounding" this is 100% flexed, no engagement of the spinal erectors at all. And not only is this level of rounding extremely dangerous, it is also extremely inefficient. He lost so much of the pulling strength from his legs in that rounding of his back.

I have attached a picture illustrating the different levels of back rounding. All the images are taken right after the weight breaks the ground. In the middle is KK lifting 770lbs while standing on a 4.5 inch box, his lumbar spine is nice and flat. On the right is a picture of a moderate amount of lumbar curvature, to the degree that I would expect on a max effort lift. The left is our friend here with complete lumbar flexion.
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Old 09-11-2010, 05:12 PM   #25
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The amount of rounding in that video, for any lifter, anywhere, of any skill/strength level, is dangerous.

I am not saying Max deadlifts won't have some rounding, but this is not "some rounding" this is 100% flexed, no engagement of the spinal erectors at all. And not only is this level of rounding extremely dangerous, it is also extremely inefficient. He lost so much of the pulling strength from his legs in that rounding of his back.

I have attached a picture illustrating the different levels of back rounding. All the images are taken right after the weight breaks the ground. In the middle is KK lifting 770lbs while standing on a 4.5 inch box, his lumbar spine is nice and flat. On the right is a picture of a moderate amount of lumbar curvature, to the degree that I would expect on a max effort lift. The left is our friend here with complete lumbar flexion.
You know, watching the OP video again, and really looking at Konstantin's youtube vids, I am inclined to agree. Good job in the comparison pictures.

Anyone ever notice that Konstantin's UPPER back is more rounding than anything else? Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VZOlFo0Q1U (WFS)
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Old 09-13-2010, 01:45 PM   #26
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Ego.
all ego i fixed it. horrible technique i know. i'm improving though.
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Old 09-13-2010, 02:37 PM   #27
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I hurt my back badly last week doing DLs. I've been flat on my back since. I was trying to repeat a PR, felt my back round, heard a 'pop' and bam. Done. Went to the ER and got happy pills and have been out of work since then. It can happen.
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Old 09-13-2010, 05:50 PM   #28
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You won't necessarily get hurt. But immense pressure is put on the discs on the lumbar spine when you deadlift like that. Why risk it IMO
Exactly! I think that should be the message here.
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Old 09-14-2010, 06:40 PM   #29
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Whoever was with you should have shouted at you to STOP before you got the bar off the ground!! I do that for my friends and I'd expect the same! Good that you are swallowing the pride and resetting the form.
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Old 09-14-2010, 07:02 PM   #30
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Disagree. Bad technique is always dangerous. Will you always get injured when using bad technique? Certainly not, but that doesn't make it safe and proper.

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agreed. just because something is dangerous or high-risk doesn't mean you're going to get hurt doing it the first time. In fact, you probably won't.

Skydivers have a saying that if you don't have absolute confidence you could do the exact thing you just did 1000 times in a row under any conditions without getting hurt, then it was probably a stupid thing to do.

This is because when people do something risky and don't get hurt they tend to do it again and again. It doesn't matter a whit that you deadlifted 400 lbs with crappy form 427 times if you hurt your back on the 428th time.
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