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Old 02-18-2009, 07:52 AM   #1
Daniel Cinalli
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kipping pull-ups vs regular pull-ups

Hi all,

I am from Brazil and a friend of mine introduced me to crossfit.
(he is living in USA)

I am enjoying so much, every trainning day completed I feel like superman.

My question is about pull-ups.
I do regular pull-ups... and I do not want to do that kind of pull-ups with swinging (kipping pull-ups).

That is my choice! I take much more time to complete the exercises, but I am ok with that.

I realized there are substitutions for some exercises e.g. 1 ring parallel = 3 paralell

Is there an equation for pull-ups? 1 regular pull-up = X kipping pull-up

Or ... as it is my choice to do regular ones, I have to do all of them as regular.

(For example, there is a session with 100 pull-ups, do I have to do 100 regular pull-ups in more time or 100-X regular pull-ups )


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Old 02-18-2009, 08:01 AM   #2
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Re: kipping pull-ups vs regular pull-ups

Daniel, I understand that it is your choice and that's fine, but you should be aware that by doing regular pull ups and not kipping pull ups you are drastically changing the workout and will not get the intended effect of that WOD. If you do Fran, for instance, and you do it with regular pull ups, in my mind, you are not doing Fran. Crossfit does do regular pull ups at times as a strength building exercise, but there's a reason they aren't a part the regular WODs. There are many MANY threads on here discussing the differences, advantages, and disadvantages to doing both kinds. I suggest searching a reading.

And to directly answer your question, I personally have never seen such an equation. Sorry.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:04 AM   #3
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Re: kipping pull-ups vs regular pull-ups

Daniel, the sub is easy to calculate: one to one. You'll be getting a different workout (more strength, less conditioning), but that's OK as long as it fits your goals.
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Old 02-18-2009, 08:41 AM   #4
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Re: kipping pull-ups vs regular pull-ups

Yes, god forbid you should want to coordinate yourself to transfer power from hip to extremity.
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Old 02-18-2009, 09:19 AM   #5
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Re: kipping pull-ups vs regular pull-ups

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Daniel, the sub is easy to calculate: one to one. You'll be getting a different workout (more strength, less conditioning), but that's OK as long as it fits your goals.
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Old 02-18-2009, 10:55 AM   #6
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Re: kipping pull-ups vs regular pull-ups

Steven, Anthony, Kevin and Matt

Thank you all for the answers. I realize know there are differences between regular and kipping pull-ups (strength and conditioning mainly).

If I have to do 21 reps ... I can do 13, rest 2 or 3 sec., I do more 6, rest 3 sec. and I do 2.
For sure, next round the number will decrease, the rest will remain 3 sec.

My heart seens to explode even with regular pull-ups and some small rest.

I believe I will do better in the future, but I know I will not do 50 regular pull-ups without stopping.

My goal is to finish the exercise quickly, so that I do pull-ups on the edge of my resistance.

I do not hate kipping pull-up, I just prefer regular ones.
Maybe I change my mind later, why not?

Anyway, thanks for the attencion and knowledge shared.

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Old 02-18-2009, 11:48 AM   #7
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Re: kipping pull-ups vs regular pull-ups

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I do not hate kipping pull-up, I just prefer regular ones.
Maybe I change my mind later, why not?
Why don't I help you change your mind NOW, so that you don't have to wait several months to figure out that kipping is actually awesome for you, not just metabolically but also coordination and transference(that was a horrible run on sentece). Why am I doing this you might be asking yourself? Well you see Daniel I love you....you and everyone else who is a beginning CrossFitter. You guys are so much fun

Now first of all lets get a couple of terminology things straightened out

There are roughly 4 types of pull-ups we do in CrossFit

1.kipping-easier strength than a dead hang, but can be done faster and teaches you how to utilize the hip like Anthony mentioned)
2. Dead hang- you know these. They take much more strength than kipping and actually increase the number of kipping pull-ups you can do.
3. Weighted pull-ups- Exactly what it sounds. Once you can do these, dead hangs seem almost pointless.
4. L-pull-ups. Hardest of all pull-ups, put you legs up so you are in an L, hold the L, pull yourself up.

Personally I have done 40 kipping pull-ups, 20 dead hangs, 1 pull-up with 120lbs, and 10 Ls. This is CrossFit we do it all. PLEASE, learn to freaking kip. It's for your benefit

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Old 02-18-2009, 11:52 AM   #8
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Re: kipping pull-ups vs regular pull-ups

Daniel,

One hint for pullups. If you cannot complete the required number of reps in one set, rest before failure. If you go to failure each time, you will burn out much quicker and not get as good an overall time.

So for example, if you are supposed to do pullups 21-15-9 as in Fran, and can do about 12-15 pullups in a row: It would be better to break them into sets of 7-9 than go for 12-15 on your first go. So your rounds would look like something like:

7-7-7
8-7
7-2

Instead of something like:

13-6-2
5-4-2-2-2
3-3-2-1

At least that's my experience.

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Old 02-18-2009, 12:02 PM   #9
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Re: kipping pull-ups vs regular pull-ups

Many of the crossfit workouts are geared towards intensity, thus going faster will increase intensity. When pullups come up in workouts the fastest way to complete them and maintain a high level of intensity is to kip. When not in wods i would recommend playing with deadhangs and weighted but for the wod kipping is the best option. Glad to see your part of the community and utilizing the message board, its an awesome resource.
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Old 02-19-2009, 10:36 AM   #10
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Re: kipping pull-ups vs regular pull-ups

Why don't you want to kip? Break it down for us Barney style. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, we would just like to make sure that you fully understand all of the parts of the equation before you make a decision as important as this one.

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