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Old 07-18-2011, 10:07 AM   #21
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Re: How to strengthen and harden your mentality?

100 Curtis P's for time...that's a mind f@&$
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Old 07-18-2011, 10:09 AM   #22
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Re: How to strengthen and harden your mentality?

From Ripptoe's CFJ article "Be Alive. Be Very Alive"

"Hard training does all these fabulous things because physical difficulties are always accompanied by mental and emotional effects that those difficulties create. Finishing a very heavy set of twenty squats, or pushing through “Three Bars of Death” as prescribed, or suffering through “Murph” wearing a weight vest, is as much a mental task as it is a physical. The seventeenth rep is done under conditions of accumulating lactic acid, the inability to satisfy an increasingly severe oxygen debt, blurred vision, aching feet, and a sensation that must be vaguely akin to drowning. And then you have to decide whether to do the eighteenth, which isn’t going to feel any better. The nineteenth and twentieth are going to be worse, and most people who have not experienced this before will quit. The ones who don’t will learn something about their own limits, and about the temporary nature of such adversity."
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Old 07-18-2011, 10:11 AM   #23
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Change your attitude. Focus on doing the task, rather than on how hard it is. The difference is, when you focus on how hard it is, failure becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you focus on getting it done, failure is just a step on the way to success.
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Old 07-18-2011, 11:17 AM   #24
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From Ripptoe's CFJ article "Be Alive. Be Very Alive"

"Hard training does all these fabulous things because physical difficulties are always accompanied by mental and emotional effects that those difficulties create. Finishing a very heavy set of twenty squats, or pushing through “Three Bars of Death” as prescribed, or suffering through “Murph” wearing a weight vest, is as much a mental task as it is a physical. The seventeenth rep is done under conditions of accumulating lactic acid, the inability to satisfy an increasingly severe oxygen debt, blurred vision, aching feet, and a sensation that must be vaguely akin to drowning. And then you have to decide whether to do the eighteenth, which isn’t going to feel any better. The nineteenth and twentieth are going to be worse, and most people who have not experienced this before will quit. The ones who don’t will learn something about their own limits, and about the temporary nature of such adversity."
I agree completely. The only way to become mentally strong for training is to experience the physical pain that comes along with it, because they are the same. As Dave Tate would say, "Time under the bar."
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Getting mentally strong in other areas of life will not have an effect on how you deal with the physical and mental pain that goes along with training. Becoming mentally "tough" *requires* the body to experience physiological stress through the perception of pain.
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Old 07-18-2011, 11:21 AM   #25
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Getting mentally strong in other areas of life will not have an effect on how you deal with the physical and mental pain that goes along with training. Becoming mentally "tough" *requires* the body to experience physiological stress through the perception of pain.
Disagree. If nothing else, mental toughness from other areas of life brings a sense of perspective.

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Old 07-18-2011, 12:57 PM   #26
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Disagree. If nothing else, mental toughness from other areas of life brings a sense of perspective.

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It makes you able to deal with a broader spectrum of issues, yes.
But it will not carry over to your training. Period. All sense of perspective goes away when your body is trying to survive.

The only way to get used to experiencing the pain that comes from training is to experience it. There is nothing else that will prepare you.
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Old 07-18-2011, 01:45 PM   #27
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It makes you able to deal with a broader spectrum of issues, yes.
But it will not carry over to your training. Period. All sense of perspective goes away when your body is trying to survive.

The only way to get used to experiencing the pain that comes from training is to experience it. There is nothing else that will prepare you.
I have to agree with Katherine. I've been through worse things in life that make workouts a nice escape no matter how difficult. Physical pain is temporary.
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Old 07-18-2011, 01:46 PM   #28
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It makes you able to deal with a broader spectrum of issues, yes.
But it will not carry over to your training. Period. All sense of perspective goes away when your body is trying to survive.

The only way to get used to experiencing the pain that comes from training is to experience it. There is nothing else that will prepare you.
"Trying to survive" in a gym is rather trivial after many things life has to offer. Pain is a sensation, don't really think it has much to do with mental fortitude. Can it break your will? absolutely, if you let it. You will face great adversity and get beat down more than once in life, outside of a gym. Wether you decide to get back up or stay down has more to do than your willingness to get the last set of pullups in Fran than you think.

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Old 07-18-2011, 02:41 PM   #29
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"Trying to survive" in a gym is rather trivial after many things life has to offer. Pain is a sensation, don't really think it has much to do with mental fortitude. Can it break your will? absolutely, if you let it. You will face great adversity and get beat down more than once in life, outside of a gym. Wether you decide to get back up or stay down has more to do than your willingness to get the last set of pullups in Fran than you think.
Oh course its a choice, nobody is denying that. But pain is the ultimate mental wall. People with the most powerful mental attitudes break because of pain. You cannot deny that fact, that is the only reason people fail to persevere in terms of workouts.

There is nothing worse (or better) than physical pain as a motivator to stop or start doing something. And the mental strength comes from experiencing the pain and refusing to be afraid of it.

My point is that there is a slight difference between physical and emotional pain, though they all are located in the mind. They are all a perception of experience. The question I am answering is how to prepare mentally for training, and the answer is to train. The more experience of the pain that training brings, the more mentally prepared you will be and there is no other factor in life that will better prepare you for said training or competing, that was the original question of the OP.

Physical pain is emotional pain. There is no biological difference, so what we experience in our head can hurt just as much as any physical pain. But I would argue that it is easier to live with emotional pain than physical pain. Emotional pain doesn't necessarily cause emotional pain, but physical pain always causes emotional pain.

And it is choosing to experience that pain, despite the fact that it goes against everything in human biology, that develops the strongest of mental attitudes. The problem is choice, and whether that choice is answered with pain. But this is turning into a philosophical argument.
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Old 07-18-2011, 02:47 PM   #30
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How can I prepare my mental fortitude across broad domains to be el33t.
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