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Old 12-26-2007, 04:25 PM   #1
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Squat stronger than Deadlift

I just did the CFT for the first time today and my BS is a bit stronger than my DL. I'm a tall guy - 6'5" 230 and a relative beginner. I have short arms for my height and long legs. I know that this isn't optimal for DL.

My #s from the CFT today are:
BS - 235
P - 125
DL - 225

Total ~ 580 or so...

I could have gone higher with the BS, but I didn't want to push things today. 225 is my old PR. As for the DL, I was struggling just to get it off the ground. I'm fairly sure that my back started to round as I lifted the weight.

My question: Is this normal for a person with short arms, long legs? Or is this a flexibility or strength issue?
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Old 12-26-2007, 04:39 PM   #2
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Re: Squat stronger than Deadlift

How deep do you squat?
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Old 12-26-2007, 04:52 PM   #3
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Re: Squat stronger than Deadlift

I go to just below parallel with the squat. (Hip lower than knee) I had my wife check to make sure.
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Old 12-26-2007, 05:06 PM   #4
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Re: Squat stronger than Deadlift

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Originally Posted by Starting Strength FAQ

I squat way more than I deadlift, what gives?


Normally proportionated people with balanced development will always deadlift more than they squat.

ALWAYS.

If you squat more than you deadlift, then 99% of the time, the answer to this lies in one of the following:

1) You aren't squatting deep enough
2) You aren't squatting deep enough
3) You aren't squatting deep enough
4) You aren't squatting deep enough
5) You aren't squatting deep enough

If think you are squatting deep enough, then chances are good that one of the following solves the mystery:

6) You aren't squatting deep enough, no matter what you say (post Videos?)
7) You need chalk
8) You hate deadlifting because you're a wussy
9) You hate deadlifting for some other reason, but you're probably a wussy
10) Your grip sucks

Yes, I'm being funny. However, it is biomechanically impossible for an injury-free individual of balanced development to squat more than they deadlift without excessive lifting equipment assistance.

PERIOD.

If you really do squat more than you deadlift, and you honestly have trained both with equal intensity and effort, then I'd drop an entire paycheck that you simply haven't evaluated yourself honestly.

If you have posted a video of your squats, you own chalk, your grip is strong, and you like deadlifting, but you still squat more than you deadlift, it is probably one of the following:

11) You have very small hands
12) You have insanely stumpy arms

#11 is common in very short, stocky women. Short = small hands, stocky = short fingers.

Guys? I don't want to hear your excuses, unless you have injuries. Just admit you're being a puss with the deadlifts and move on.

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Old 12-26-2007, 06:50 PM   #5
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Re: Squat stronger than Deadlift

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I go to just below parallel with the squat. (Hip lower than knee) I had my wife check to make sure.
From what I can tell.. ain't squattin' deep enough.
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Old 12-26-2007, 07:20 PM   #6
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Re: Squat stronger than Deadlift

Tim,

I guess what you are saying is that I'm not squatting deep enough?

Just kidding. I think I get the point. I've always thought that just below parallel is the place to be. (I've got a copy of Starting Strength in shipment now just to make sure)

I'm sure that this has been discussed many times - but am I off base with the just below parallel idea? I know some folks go as deep as possible. Is there really much benefit to bottoming out?
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Old 12-26-2007, 07:56 PM   #7
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Re: Squat stronger than Deadlift

As deep as possible is the real way to squat. More engaging for the posterior chain at the bottom (not only for squats but oly lifts) plus the increased strength at the bottom coupled with good mobility work will make pretty much any leg work easier.
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Old 12-27-2007, 06:37 AM   #8
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Re: Squat stronger than Deadlift

Eric;

it could also be a learning thing. If we go by your numbers, you're relative strength is still very much in the beginner stages. I wouldn't judge too much about these numbers until they all got a little bigger. If a year from now you are squatting 400 and DL 300, then we can come right back to reasons numbered 1-5.

Powerlifting doesn't favor the tall, and you are tall. There may be some awkward stuff going on, and it just may turn out by fluke that you are the one guy that learned how to squat correctly faster than dead. But everybody's right; without a pic of you or video of the lifts, what can we say? You are probably doing what everyone does; 1/4 squatting a supramaximal load. But who knows.

Join the 'digital coaching' discussion with some vids and rethink the whole thing.
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Old 12-27-2007, 07:42 AM   #9
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Re: Squat stronger than Deadlift

Tim hit the nail on the head.
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Old 12-27-2007, 08:56 AM   #10
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Re: Squat stronger than Deadlift

How often do you squat and how often do you deadlift? While the DL has less skill requirements than the squat you still need to work it especially if you want to attempt maxes.
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