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Old 07-19-2010, 10:16 AM   #21
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Re: 2010 games scoring - impossible to catch up?

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This topic was discussed extensively after last years games. The gap was even larger last year, due to the larger number of competitors and and cuts. Going into day 2 of last years competition, more than half of the final 16 were already oit of contention for the podium, and only a the top 4 or 5 actually had a chance of winning. This year there was at least a possibility for a major shake-up in the final series of events, however unlikely. One thing I disliked is that all of the final events seemed to favor the same skill set.
It all seemed to favor light people w/ good bodyweight strength
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:28 AM   #22
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It all seemed to favor light people w/ good bodyweight strength
That is CrossFit. Always has been and always will be.
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:32 AM   #23
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I don't mind the point per place scoring method, but, if you change the number of competitors, it's unreasonable to consider the scoring under the past situation verbatim. Instead, I think they should re-score past events as if only the post-cut athletes competed (ignore the raw scores of the people that missed the cut). The top 16 people's score should thus be in the range [1,16] for all 9 events. For example, Khalipa's 1st event received a 28. Amongst the final 16 competitors, it was the 15th best performance, so the score would be changed to 15.

If the top 16 people competed exclusively, the places switch dramatically for the men (WFS) -- Spealler would have won, with Egyed in 2nd and Froning Jr in 3rd. Literally every position would switch. It seems extremely bizarre that scoring a subset would change so dramatically. Are there any other sports where the scoring would have such an internal inconsistency?
The problem with that method is that it doesn't take into account to what degree the athlete performed. An athlete may have performed just behind the next athlete or dead last. Yet if they still manage to make the cut they are only one point behind the next athlete. Normalizing each event based on the number of competitors does not have this issue.
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:33 AM   #24
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That is CrossFit. Always has been and always will be.

True, but I'm saying these games seemed to favor the "small guys" even in a crossfit sense of the word. Even though the winners weren't small by crossfit standards, those WODs definitely favorted your typical 5'5, 140lb gymnast type frame - c'mon - rope climbs, wall climbs, burpees, push ups, handstand pushups, muslce ups lol
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:35 AM   #25
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True, but I'm saying these games seemed to favor the "small guys" even in a crossfit sense of the word. Even though the winners weren't small by crossfit standards, those WODs definitely favorted your typical 5'5, 140lb gymnast type frame - c'mon - rope climbs, wall climbs, burpees, push ups, handstand pushups, muslce ups lol
I agree. I'm not disagreeing, I hate it too. I think maybe my post came off like I thought it was a good thing. I think its stupid. lol Is that more clear?
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:37 AM   #26
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I agree. I'm not disagreeing, I hate it too. I think maybe my post came off like I thought it was a good thing. I think its stupid. lol Is that more clear?

Yes lol. As do I.

It doesn't make sense to me that someone with a 300lb squat can be in contention for the worlds fittest haha
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:52 AM   #27
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Yes lol. As do I.

It doesn't make sense to me that someone with a 300lb squat can be in contention for the worlds fittest haha
Nor does it make sense to me that someone who can't climb a wall would be.


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Old 07-19-2010, 11:00 AM   #28
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Re: 2010 games scoring - impossible to catch up?

What about the 205# cleans, the 315# deadlifts and the 135# snatches and the max overhead? Do those favor a 5'5" 140 lb gymnast type?


What I'm sick of is people thinking that absolute strength is a greater measure of fitness than relative strength.
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:07 AM   #29
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Re: 2010 games scoring - impossible to catch up?

It doesn't go both ways in terms of fitness in my opinion. You cannot be one of the fittest people in the world and NOT be able to handle your own bodyweight, however you can be one of the fittest people and not be able to DL 500lbs. Just an opinion, I personally find Gymnasts way fitter than Powerlifters, although individually in their respective events both are incredibly impressive.
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:10 AM   #30
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Re: 2010 games scoring - impossible to catch up?

I'm tired of the old:
If it's a heavy weight: "sorry small dude, you are too weak, hahaha!"
If it's light/body weight: "hey, that's unfair, it favors the little guy, you can't say, that he/she is the fittest"

basically it boils down to:"I want my big dude to win"
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