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Old 03-29-2013, 06:03 AM   #21
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Re: A Tale of Two Meals... what's really making you fat.

I'm on so called "paleo" almost a year and despite of amazing results regarding skin problems I can not get reed of low back fat. Does anybody experiencing the same guys?
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Old 03-29-2013, 06:06 AM   #22
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Re: A Tale of Two Meals... what's really making you fat.

What is your overall composition?
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Old 03-29-2013, 06:22 AM   #23
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Re: A Tale of Two Meals... what's really making you fat.

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But if you look at the way paleo is prescribed you are literally eating a high protein high fat diet...low carbs... because carbs induce insulin spike which causes fat storage etc... I'm sure many people have heard it explained this way...

I'm not trying to start a debate just a little confused.
Sean, I think a lot of people think that, but paleo doesn't NECESSARILY mean low carb. A lot of people do it that way, but just because its pretty hard to get a ton of carbs when you don't eat bread/pasta/etc. However, the issue with the grains isn't only the fact that they high in carbs, but also the gluten, lectins, and phytates.

Mark Sisson gives a brief overview here. (WFS)

If you want to eat paleo and raise your carbs, sweet potatoes and potatoes are great.
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Old 03-29-2013, 06:35 AM   #24
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Re: A Tale of Two Meals... what's really making you fat.

Another issue I forgot to mention about the grain debate is rice. It is probably the most inert food in the world when you look at intolerance. It is bad why? Oh because carbs are bad.......Again it is the blind, "Rice is a grain, grains are bad, rice is bad" logic that I have a problem with. The basic premise that grain is making America fat is what irateness me about the paleo diet. There simply isn't enough evidence to suggest grains are the fundamental issue. It would be akin to me saying, "Crime is a problem, crime should be illegal, crime will now go away". I have to intentionally try to eat more than the average American to remain fuel for working out. The problem is that the 2800-3000 calories I eat is close to what the average person eats and does nothing with. That is why they are fat.
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Old 03-29-2013, 06:37 AM   #25
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Re: A Tale of Two Meals... what's really making you fat.

All I know is I feel best when I'm grain free, although I haven't really experimented with rice while staying away from other grains. I'll have to try it.
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Old 03-29-2013, 06:50 AM   #26
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What is your overall composition?
Last time I checked there were 17% of fat. Unfortunately that's all I can remember.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:34 AM   #27
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Re: A Tale of Two Meals... what's really making you fat.

Brad, I readily concede that wheat is suspect.

Peter, if you are dieting consider less intense workouts and try to keep low stress levels.
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:19 AM   #28
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Re: A Tale of Two Meals... what's really making you fat.

Just want to applaud Bill on making quite possibly the most fair argument I have seen on a message board in a long time. Well done sir.
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:34 AM   #29
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Re: A Tale of Two Meals... what's really making you fat.

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Sean, I think a lot of people think that, but paleo doesn't NECESSARILY mean low carb. A lot of people do it that way, but just because its pretty hard to get a ton of carbs when you don't eat bread/pasta/etc. However, the issue with the grains isn't only the fact that they high in carbs, but also the gluten, lectins, and phytates.

Mark Sisson gives a brief overview here. (WFS)

If you want to eat paleo and raise your carbs, sweet potatoes and potatoes are great.
I find it hard to take that "article" seriosuly
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:40 AM   #30
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Re: A Tale of Two Meals... what's really making you fat.

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Moral of the story is that carbs are needed. People that think carbs are making them fat but it is them eating too much in most cases. If you don't care about performance and like using tools like low carb eating to stay lean, then that is fine. If you care about your performance though, long term studies show that carbohydrates are something you need. You can head over to Mark's daily apple and seem him state the same thing. Your carb intake needs to match your activity levels.
Amen! I was on a paleo diet for three months and I was run down by week eight. Everyone kept telling me how their energy levels increased while on paleo; I sure as hell never saw it. I feel great now that I have the evil: rice, patatoes, and bread back in my diet.
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