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Old 07-28-2010, 03:54 AM   #1
Dimitri Dziabenko
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Kaatsu Training for Muscle Mass

I came across this on a bunch of other sites, but there is an excellent post (#1) on gymnasticbodies.com:

http://www.gymnasticbodies.com/forum...hp?f=13&t=4414 (WFS)

Basically, you use a tourniquet or tight wrap (or an mp3 holder on your arm?) to restrict (but not completely cut off ) blood flow to a muscle and use weights around 20% of 1RM to pump the muscle. According to this site, the method promises very fast increases in muscle mass (7.7% in 2 weeks, presumably for novice trainees, but still):

http://www.projectswole.com/weight-t...atsu-training/ (WFS)

Should I be secretly adding some kaatsu curls with two gallons of milk and wrist wraps around my biceps

Downside: You cant really train the neck with this method.

What are your thoughts on all this?


Edit: For all the Italian Crossfitters, yeah, it's a funny name.

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Old 07-28-2010, 08:26 AM   #2
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Re: Kaatsu Training for Muscle Mass

Muscles to what end? Are they stronger or just bigger? WHat are you goals?

I"m going to call BS on this method though.
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Old 07-28-2010, 08:56 AM   #3
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Re: Kaatsu Training for Muscle Mass

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Old 07-28-2010, 09:07 AM   #4
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Re: Kaatsu Training for Muscle Mass

Probably just bigger, and some strength simply due to hypertrophy. If it works, could make for some great and easy to recover from, purely cosmetic, assistance exercises all of which can be done with objects around the house

Here is a study on supposedly trained athletes:

Eur J Appl Physiol. 2002 Feb;86(4):308-14.

Effects of resistance exercise combined with vascular occlusion on muscle function in athletes.

Takarada Y, Sato Y, Ishii N.

Department of Life Sciences, Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, University of Tokyo, Komaba Tokyo, Japan.

Abstract: The effects of resistance exercise combined with vascular occlusion on muscle function were investigated in highly trained athletes. Elite rugby players (n = 17) took part in an 8 week study of exercise training of the knee extensor muscles, in which low-intensity [about 50% of one repetition maximum] exercise combined with an occlusion pressure of about 200 mmHg (LIO, n = 6), low-intensity exercise without the occlusion (LI, n = 6), and no exercise training (untrained control, n = 5) were included. The exercise in the LI group was of the same intensity and amount as in the LIO group. The LIO group showed a significantly larger increase in isokinetic knee extension torque than that in the other two groups (P < 0.05) at all the velocities studied. On the other hand, no significant difference was seen between LI and the control group. In the LIO group, the cross-sectional area of knee extensors increased significantly (P < 0.01), suggesting that the increase in knee extension strength was mainly caused by muscle hypertrophy. The dynamic endurance of knee extensors estimated from the decreases in mechanical work production and peak force after 50 repeated concentric contractions was also improved after LIO, whereas no significant change was observed in the LI and control groups. The results indicated that low-intensity resistance exercise causes, in almost fully trained athletes, increases in muscle size, strength and endurance, when combined with vascular occlusion.

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Old 07-28-2010, 10:22 AM   #5
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Re: Kaatsu Training for Muscle Mass

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Old 07-28-2010, 10:46 AM   #6
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Re: Kaatsu Training for Muscle Mass

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Old 07-28-2010, 01:07 PM   #7
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Re: Kaatsu Training for Muscle Mass

http://www.ampedtraining.com/exercis...hemia-the-pump

(and less useful/organized)
http://forums.lylemcdonald.com/showt...ghlight=kaatsu

Both WFS


My opinion is that it's not more effective than traditional bodybuilding methods.
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Epic response win.

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Downside: You cant really train the neck with this method.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:54 PM   #9
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Re: Kaatsu Training for Muscle Mass

I'm not a big believer in that sort of thing. Beyond its efficacy at building muscle size, I don't think you would be building any kind of functionality with said training.
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Old 07-28-2010, 06:06 PM   #10
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Re: Kaatsu Training for Muscle Mass

Going to quote the Gymnastics Bodies site admin in the comment section of that article:

"Foolishness.

Quit trying to find the silver bullet. There is no substitute for steady, consistent, progressive training.

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