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Old 07-07-2009, 02:00 PM   #1
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2009 Games Coverage

I can't believe it hasn't been done yet but I'd love to see a collection of blogs, twitter pages, etc. that will be posting during the Games this weekend. Obviously the Games site will have information all weekend but there's got to be people out there that are going as spectators that will be updating their websites throughout the weekend. For those of us not fortunate enough to be seeing it in person it'd be nice to see as much as possible through the eyes of others...so if you're going, let us know!
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Old 07-07-2009, 03:32 PM   #2
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Re: 2009 Games Coverage

did anybody see how they're scheduling the wod's? If Im reading the games site right, they're doing 5?!! events on saturday! could they really make give them 5 wods on one day??? then more on sunday.

also, they're going to eliminate competitors after the 2nd and 4th wods.

and they're scheduling the wods based on time completed. so if u finish first in the first event, u get to go last in the next event. so if u finish last, u have to go first next time! they're def. doing some things to weed out this year.
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Old 07-07-2009, 06:03 PM   #3
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Re: 2009 Games Coverage

That's how I read it as well...and then the picture of Castro on that nasty hill at the Games site. Have fun climbing that one competitors!
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Old 07-07-2009, 06:57 PM   #4
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I wonder what you guys think about the ranking method (ie. add up the places for individual wods, person with the lowest total wins). I think some arguments could arise with this if many people tie/come close within a few seconds or so on the shorter WODs (ie. if 5 people get 3:12 then they get the lower score, but the person getting 3:13 gets a much higher score even though he was only a second off). Longer WODs will probably be more differentiated. I doubt there will be a max. strength test given this rating method, since you'd probably need multiple attempts (so the going first/second thing is going to be weird if we incorporate rest between attempts), plus based on raw scores the lighter competitors will immediately place like 25+ on that event (15 guys pulling over 500lb!), which I doubt will allow them to qualify for Sunday.

Again, I could be wrong.
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:05 AM   #5
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Re: 2009 Games Coverage

So I guess what you are saying is that every second DOES still count, as well every pound, round, or rep...whatever they chose to score an individual event on. I hadn't thought about the tie vs point structure thing before, and how someone that is only 1 second behind a few others that tie could get hosed and receive a few less points than the rest because of 1 second. That comes down to your judge/timer as well. Oh well, he/she who thrive in the adversity deserve to be crowned.
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:12 AM   #6
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Twitter updates here
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Old 07-08-2009, 06:33 AM   #7
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So I guess what you are saying is that every second DOES still count, as well every pound, round, or rep...whatever they chose to score an individual event on. I hadn't thought about the tie vs point structure thing before, and how someone that is only 1 second behind a few others that tie could get hosed and receive a few less points than the rest because of 1 second. That comes down to your judge/timer as well. Oh well, he/she who thrive in the adversity deserve to be crowned.
I'll be honest, I haven't done the math, but I think that at the games last year, Khalipa was around the 30th spot for the run. Had the scoring been the same as this year (and the performances the same), I don't think he would have won. That's essentially what I mean by being a few seconds behind can cost you...well more than that. I guess they could do a 5K hill run/hike, followed by a 1RM. Both light, and heavy competitors would probably have problems that way.
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Old 07-08-2009, 10:42 AM   #8
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Re: 2009 Games Coverage

Basically, it pays to be first. The point system rather than the total time will reward placement within the cohort of athletes. Total time requires that all the WODs be balanced if they are to contribute to the leaderboard. While a 2k row is a great test of a CrossFitter, it will not seperate people by total time very much at all. This way you have to pull out in front of people to get the points. (I think there is a benefit to just wearing people out and then seeing how they can weather the storm, but that is a seperate point.) It makes it tougher for a specialist to put a cusion between them and the rest of the field or make a huge comback for that matter. (That was a lowercase matter, I am in no way making a reference that Tanya would have won last year under this point system.:stir

The whole tie thing is as fair as it can be. If 15 people beat me then I'm getting 16 points for the event even if all 15 tie. You can't do much about that.
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Re: 2009 Games Coverage

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I think some arguments could arise with this if many people tie/come close within a few seconds or so on the shorter WODs (ie. if 5 people get 3:12 then they get the lower score, but the person getting 3:13 gets a much higher score even though he was only a second off).
For this...
If 100 people are doing the same WOD (a 5k Row - for instance) and 5 of them finish in a dead heat for 1st, and the 6th person is one second behind those 5, he is still in 6th place and has the 6th fastest overall time.

It is the same result as every second counts. All 5 of the competitors who beat him, have a quicker time than he did.

IMHO - this is just part of the Games. It is CrossFit. Prepare for the unknown and unknowable.

I doubt any of the competitors are going to gripe too much about this format... though there are a lot of gripes on the Games page.

The competitors know that they need to get BETTER, FASTER and STRONGER than the other folks.
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Basically, it pays to be first. The point system rather than the total time will reward placement within the cohort of athletes. Total time requires that all the WODs be balanced if they are to contribute to the leaderboard. While a 2k row is a great test of a CrossFitter, it will not seperate people by total time very much at all. This way you have to pull out in front of people to get the points. (I think there is a benefit to just wearing people out and then seeing how they can weather the storm, but that is a seperate point.) It makes it tougher for a specialist to put a cusion between them and the rest of the field or make a huge comback for that matter. (That was a lowercase matter, I am in no way making a reference that Tanya would have won last year under this point system.:stir

The whole tie thing is as fair as it can be. If 15 people beat me then I'm getting 16 points for the event even if all 15 tie. You can't do much about that.
Well, the problem with 15 people placing first with the same score and you placing a second behind, is that you get 16 while they get 1. There would be a disconnect between the score and the actual performance. The hope of course is that they hold enough diverse events to balance it statistically (5 events on day one, plus multiple events on day two). It's pretty much the same as the scoring for the 2007 Games, except the scoring is reversed (1 is best, instead of 100 points for #1).Yet in 2007 the metcons were rather long (compared to 2008) so ties were less significant. Since there won't be 5 long metcons, hopefully for the shorter stuff, similar performances will not cause this strong disconnect.
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