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Old 12-28-2007, 08:31 PM   #1
Ryan Whitenack
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High jumpers or high jump coaches advice wanted

I am taking over the reigns full time time as my school's high jump coach. Last season did it part time so I have some background, but other than that I have never participated in it much less ever tried a full scale high jump.

Looking for advice on how to train my jumpers (9-12grade), how to incorporate Crossfit into the daily routine, and links to websites or specialists in this event.

I am a thrower by nature, but unfortunately look like a leaper so I got sucked into this one. Love to learn new things though.

Here are some ideas I have....
-Olympic lifts for the hips with a top-down approach (High hang, hang, from the floor) progressing as appropriate with form/age. Starting with broomsticks.
-walking hurdle work for warm-ups
-1 day a week away from jumping for activities like spinning, sprinting, hoover ball, and occasional nonsense
-I really only want to be jumping for 45 minutes a day--how do I best optimize that time so kids are being pushed to good heights while also getting good reps
-Down time activities (while others are jumping): Med ball work (slams, throws, abs), brief metabolic workouts, form work (skip jumps, box jumps)
-video time
-PERFECT push-ups, pull-ups, squats, and running form
-making well rounded athletes through the basics: see 10 elements of CF

Please, please, please contribute where you can. Coaches names and resources of information would be great also.
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Old 12-28-2007, 08:53 PM   #2
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Re: High jumpers or high jump coaches advice wanted

Here's some stuff on jump that IIRC I think Brandon sent me (correct me if I'm wrong -_-). You might want to contact him on how his training regimen was structured but his blog has tons of useful tidbits:

(wfs)
http://jumpcoach.blogspot.com/

Also, metabolic (leg) work is probably not good for those trying to specialize with high jump or any other explosive activities.
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Old 12-28-2007, 08:57 PM   #3
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Re: High jumpers or high jump coaches advice wanted

If you want to maximize PERFECT jumps, one of my pole vault coaches states: if your performance drops off (fatigue: slower runup, weak pop), then STOP. If they are having a bad day and have 3-5 BAD jumps in a row, stop them. You do not want to build bad form into an athlete's muscle memory.
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Old 12-29-2007, 05:00 AM   #4
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Re: High jumpers or high jump coaches advice wanted

Also go to http://www.crossfitkids.com (wfs) and the Brand X forum to see how to incorporate crossfit into a student athlete's regime. I've add crossfit to my sprinters' and vaulters' routine slowly, and with much success (i.e. the kids love it)

also, here's a previous thread on the topic. See Dan John's stuff.

http://www.board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=6059

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Old 12-29-2007, 05:19 AM   #5
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I've add crossfit to my sprinters' and vaulters' routine slowly, and with much success (i.e. the kids love it)[/url]
I would disagree with that because of this (or these threads) especially if it's leg work for the sprinters at least:

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http://www.board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=24418
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Old 12-29-2007, 06:56 AM   #6
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Re: High jumpers or high jump coaches advice wanted

Steven,

I understand the need for specialization and power outputs that you've talked about on previous threads, and I agree in terms of the sub-elite/elite sprinter.

Saying "I use crossfit with sprinters and jumpers" does not include all the details. If we understand sprinting to be an anaerobic event, crossfit provides anaerobic conditioning that can benefit developing athletes. The kids I coach are being introduced to working out for the first time in their lives (read: non-elite) and all are multi-event athletes (run, jump or run,throw). With a school weight room that is 12x10 and filled with 40 wrestlers, I've had to find creative ways to have my kids workout. Couple that with the fact that my freshman girls (and others) are typical scared of "weightlifting" I've introduced workouts from crossfitkids on skill/drill days.

I guess the important thing to distinguish my experience from other board discussions is that I am not working with sub-elite/elite sprinters. I am working with kids who are new to exercise and use track to get in shape. The farther an athlete progresses the more specialized we get (that includes within a season)

sorry to hijack, but I thought my answer needed an explanation.

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Old 12-29-2007, 11:27 AM   #7
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Re: High jumpers or high jump coaches advice wanted

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Here's some stuff on jump that IIRC I think Brandon sent me (correct me if I'm wrong -_-). You might want to contact him on how his training regimen was structured but his blog has tons of useful tidbits:

(wfs)
http://jumpcoach.blogspot.com/

Also, metabolic (leg) work is probably not good for those trying to specialize with high jump or any other explosive activities.
the author of this blog is a college high jump coach and writing his masters thesis on plyometrics. so it has a lot of information im sure you will find useful, ryan.
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Old 12-29-2007, 01:38 PM   #8
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Re: High jumpers or high jump coaches advice wanted

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Steven,

I understand the need for specialization and power outputs that you've talked about on previous threads, and I agree in terms of the sub-elite/elite sprinter.

Saying "I use crossfit with sprinters and jumpers" does not include all the details. If we understand sprinting to be an anaerobic event, crossfit provides anaerobic conditioning that can benefit developing athletes. The kids I coach are being introduced to working out for the first time in their lives (read: non-elite) and all are multi-event athletes (run, jump or run,throw). With a school weight room that is 12x10 and filled with 40 wrestlers, I've had to find creative ways to have my kids workout. Couple that with the fact that my freshman girls (and others) are typical scared of "weightlifting" I've introduced workouts from crossfitkids on skill/drill days.

I guess the important thing to distinguish my experience from other board discussions is that I am not working with sub-elite/elite sprinters. I am working with kids who are new to exercise and use track to get in shape. The farther an athlete progresses the more specialized we get (that includes within a season)

sorry to hijack, but I thought my answer needed an explanation.
Well, that's what I'm getting at, actually. Not just the sub-elite/elite but even the kids who are just starting out. If you're having kids engage in say metcon work like high rep squats that is itself aerobic work and will stimulate increases in type I fibers as well as the enzyme markers I was talking about. So.. it will inevitably detract from their maximum potential if they every wanted to become elite sprinter or high jumper.


Jake: Sorry, I think that was you who sent me the link. -_- Misnamed, lol.
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Old 12-29-2007, 01:43 PM   #9
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Re: High jumpers or high jump coaches advice wanted

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Well, that's what I'm getting at, actually. Not just the sub-elite/elite but even the kids who are just starting out. If you're having kids engage in say metcon work like high rep squats that is itself aerobic work and will stimulate increases in type I fibers as well as the enzyme markers I was talking about. So.. it will inevitably detract from their maximum potential if they every wanted to become elite sprinter or high jumper.


Jake: Sorry, I think that was you who sent me the link. -_- Misnamed, lol.
, no sweat. i agree with what steven is saying here though, its pretty commonly accepted knowledge that lots of endurance work will take away from an athletes explosive (type II muscle fiber) power.
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Old 12-29-2007, 02:07 PM   #10
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Re: High jumpers or high jump coaches advice wanted

Yes, this is a mistake I wanted to make last year, but corrected myself. Thank you for doing it for me this year. I did mix in an occasional metcon workout (1 per 3 weeks) and I actually saw some gains in the following meets. Tempting to step it up from there but that would be foolish.

Keep posting guys, I'm getting some useful stuff. Thanks
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