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Old 09-03-2009, 09:02 PM   #31
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Re: Progression on all fronts ?

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I love the asinine comments some people make on these threads too. First off, i never said anything about a 400 squat, 500 deadlift, a 4 min mile, a 3xbw snatch. My goals are reasonable, there's nothing insane about a gymnast/CF'er wanting to be able to BS 300 pounds, or get under a 7 min mile. If I said i ONLY want to do gymnastics and ONLY wanted to be a good gymnast your opinion might be valid.

Yes I've spent quite a bit of time on Gymnastic bodies and looked it over and done some of their WOD's.

There's no need to try and spread your defeatist attitude, keep worthless comments to yourself.
ouch... guess the monitor growled at ya?

I'm just saying pick a couple goals and work towards those first so that they don't interfere with your outlying priorities.
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Old 09-03-2009, 09:06 PM   #32
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ouch... guess the monitor growled at ya?

I'm just saying pick a couple goals and work towards those first so that they don't interfere with your outlying priorities.
Fair enough. Thanks for the input, always appreciated, even if I bark a little bit
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Old 09-04-2009, 06:38 PM   #33
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Bench Press- 235
SP- 140
Deadlift- 300
Back Squat- 235
Front squat- 195
Power Clean- 165
You. Are. Not. Intermediate.

If you truly are (linear progression no longer works), you have no genetic potential. Your press and bench might be intermediate, maybe, just possibly. Your other RMs are working set weights for a novice. None of this borders on advanced. But this is good news! If you want to get stronger on the main lifts, a simple linear progression will make you much stronger, faster. How you will tie this in with 2+ hours of gymnastics 6 days a week I have no clue, and how you will incorporate conditioning work, I have even less of a clue. The "defeatist" attitude you're accusing people of is usually the result of real life intruding on training goals. Good luck, train hard.
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Old 09-04-2009, 07:30 PM   #34
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Really ? Because according to Mark Rippetoe's chart i am

http://www.crossfit.com/cf-journal/WLSTANDARDS.pdf
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I weigh 170 so lets see

-My Bench Press is between intermediate and advanced

-My Shoulder Press is between Intermediate and advanced, much closer to intermediate though

- My Squat is Novice, but close to intermediate, as i noted.

- My deadlift is Intermediate

- And my power clean is novice but close to intermediate

Im pretty sure on average that makes me an Intermediate lifter, unless you have any evidence to support the idea that Mark Rippetoe is wrong.
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Old 09-04-2009, 07:43 PM   #35
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Really ? Because according to Mark Rippetoe's chart i am

http://www.crossfit.com/cf-journal/WLSTANDARDS.pdf
(Link is Work and family safe)

I weigh 170 so lets see

-My Bench Press is between intermediate and advanced

-My Shoulder Press is between Intermediate and advanced, much closer to intermediate though

- My Squat is Novice, but close to intermediate, as i noted.

- My deadlift is Intermediate

- And my power clean is novice but close to intermediate

Im pretty sure on average that makes me an Intermediate lifter, unless you have any evidence to support the idea that Mark Rippetoe is wrong.
Those are strength standards for barbell training. If you have not done a linear progression program before than chances are you are not an intermediate lifter which would simply be defined as someone who can no longer make progress from workout to workout but now must make weekly progression.

It's to your advantage to be in the novice stage as long as possible.

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Old 09-04-2009, 07:51 PM   #36
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I did a linear progression program for 2 years religiously... it's what got me into exercise.
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Old 09-04-2009, 07:57 PM   #37
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I did a linear progression program for 2 years religiously... it's what got me into exercise.
Define religiously because if that were true some of your lifts should be a lot higher. The main thing about the above though is it's reference to Starting Strength and the program outlined in the book. Most people likely do not exhaust linear gains regardless of what they think Im even willing to bet you could still make pretty good progress on SS if you ever went down that route.
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Old 09-04-2009, 08:00 PM   #38
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Re: Progression on all fronts ?

Mark Rippetoe is not the only source of strength standards or information in the lifting universe (though his material is excellent). If you actually read his books, most notably practical programming, you'll find that he defines an intermediate as a lifter who can no longer make linear gains in a period of 72 hours. While I don't have a lot of experience in the lifting world, I have a hard time believing that you have exhausted the potential gains from a linear progression. Your Bench and Press, like I wrote, are probably intermediate, but they might benefit some linear progression. You squat and dead are assuredly novice. If you want to consider your numbers intermediate because some chart tells you so, go right ahead. You should avoid the company of strong lifters for a while. They might have a conversation about warming up that would shatter your illusions.
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Old 09-04-2009, 08:03 PM   #39
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Religiously meaning 5 days a week for an hour everyday. When i started lifting my max bench was 95 pounds, my squat 135, shoulder press 45 pounds, deadlift 185. So I personally think I made huge increases, with over 100% increases on most my lifts, for 2 years that can't be very bad....

I agree though i think starting strength would be great for me, I'm planning on buying the book soon.

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While I don't have a lot of experience in the lifting world, I have a hard time believing that you have exhausted the potential gains from a linear progression.
Thanks for your advice, it was extremely valuable.

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Old 09-04-2009, 08:06 PM   #40
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Re: Progression on all fronts ?

Dan do you still lift fairly regularly during the week to maintain/increase the lifts.

I barely lift that much, but I'm sure I would lift even more by upping my frequency so I become mechanically better at it. Well more neuro-efficient, really.
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