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Old 09-02-2009, 07:14 PM   #21
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CFE doesent really help with any of those goals

the sub 7 mile could come with like a month of jogging.

Yea I agree, I decided to forget about the CFE, i actually think i already can do a 7 min mile, i just haven't attempted it for a long time.
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:17 PM   #22
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Re: Progression on all fronts ?

It's good to hear that you're doing mostly fundamentals. That's the biggest thing.

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As far as my level goes, i cant give you some official scale or anything. Im on the junior varsity team at my school, my tricks are things such as back uprise straddle cuts, swing hands, shoulder stands and rolls, front uprises. On rings nothing extremely notable, close to an iron cross, can do back levers, shoulder stands, and still working things like dislocates and innlocates. Definitely not a very good gymnast, but one thing I can tell you for sure, is that in 5 months i've made more progress then anyone ive ever met or heard of. You'll notice most gymnasts spend years upon years with the sport, as you stated for yourself, I'm the exact opposite I have not had the luxury of doing it since i was an adolescent.
Pbars sounds like level 7 (besides back uprise straddle cut). Rings sounds like about level 7 as well (besides the cross). Other events?

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As far as your belief that working with weights and high intensity metcons and gaining strength in that respect not being a good idea and not transferring very much to gymnastics, I would say you are just flat out wrong, I'm living proof that training with weights among other things can vastly accelerate your ability to get skills and the fundamentals down in gymnastics.
Weights -- I already agreed can be used successfully. At least for lower body. Most upper body work is best spent on rings. Even then.. while the strength is good yes it shouldn't take primary importance over reactive ability.

Metcons -- I am very doubtful about this. Short ones are the most effective, yes. If you take a look at Coach Sommer's gymnasts they pretty much rarely do metabolic work... because it's not really needed.

If you MUST I wouldn't exceed 5 minutes with any of them. Maybe 1-2 times a week max. If you're doing the 400m intervals that would take care of the metabolic ability anyway.

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And, I use my grips correctly along with chalk on rings, and you still tear, its almost inevitable, you will eventually tear.
Almost everyone new (and by new I mean who hasn't had ~4-5 years of experience) grips the rings too hard. You should barely feel pressure on your hands while swinging on hbar and rings. The grips are doing literally 90% of the work. Rips should be rare even if you spend entire practices on the event.

Re: 18 hours -- it's not much on your hands that you should be ripping zillions of times like you are claiming. It's enough to get decent.. but probably won't take you to level 9/10 unless you are very proprioceptively gifted.


ANYWAY, if you want critique just post up a workout schedule I guess, and people here will critique. Arguing small points is useless. As long as you're working fundamentals most of the time that satisfies me.
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:32 PM   #23
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It's good to hear that you're doing mostly fundamentals. That's the biggest thing.

Pbars sounds like level 7 (besides back uprise straddle cut). Rings sounds like about level 7 as well (besides the cross). Other events?

Metcons -- I am very doubtful about this. Short ones are the most effective, yes. If you take a look at Coach Sommer's gymnasts they pretty much rarely do metabolic work... because it's not really needed.

If you MUST I wouldn't exceed 5 minutes with any of them. Maybe 1-2 times a week max. If you're doing the 400m intervals that would take care of the metabolic ability anyway.



Almost everyone new (and by new I mean who hasn't had ~4-5 years of experience) grips the rings too hard. You should barely feel pressure on your hands while swinging on hbar and rings. The grips are doing literally 90% of the work. Rips should be rare even if you spend entire practices on the event.

Re: 18 hours -- it's not much on your hands that you should be ripping zillions of times like you are claiming. It's enough to get decent.. but probably won't take you to level 9/10 unless you are very proprioceptively gifted.


ANYWAY, if you want critique just post up a workout schedule I guess, and people here will critique. Arguing small points is useless. As long as you're working fundamentals most of the time that satisfies me.
I'm something of a specialist, I only do rings and pbars.

I suppose were better off agreeing to disagree on the metcon thing.

I would definitely agree with the idea that most people grip the rings to much, I could see that being an issue for me, I'll have to keep that in mind.

Ha ha, as far as me being proprioceptively gifted I don't believe i am, just looking to make as much progress as I can, wherever that leaves me remains to be seen.

Thanks for the discussion Steven, always a pleasure.
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Old 09-02-2009, 09:06 PM   #24
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Ahh, a specialist.

If you want to have any chance of developing any twisting developments, you should be spending about 45-75 minutes a day on trampoline.

Part of the gains to be had when training are had during the recovery phases. SS is all about this.
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Specialist? lol... I love these threads.
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Gymnastics Event Specialist.
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Old 09-03-2009, 02:00 PM   #27
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Specialist? lol... I love these threads.
Yea, Specialist when referencing gymnastics is a term for someone who only does one certain event, or very few events, as apposed to an All Arounder (someone who does all events) or what have you...
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Yea, Specialist when referencing gymnastics is a term for someone who only does one certain event, or very few events, as apposed to an All Arounder (someone who does all events) or what have you...
I love these threads because there are always people who want to be good at one thing then all of a sudden want to have 400 squat, 300 bench, 500 deadlift, and run a 4 min mile, with a 3 x bw snatch and be able to hold an iron cross at the same time.

Just focus on the gymnastics stuff you want to do and leave the long metcon **** out.

Have you checked out gymnastic bodies for conditioning stuff or to see what those guys do when they want to include extra stuff?

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I love these threads because there are always people who want to be good at one thing then all of a sudden want to have 400 squat, 300 bench, 500 deadlift, and run a 4 min mile, with a 3 x bw snatch and be able to hold an iron cross at the same time.

Just focus on the gymnastics stuff you want to do and leave the long metcon **** out.

Have you checked out gymnastic bodies for conditioning stuff or to see what those guys do when they want to include extra stuff?
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I love these threads because there are always people who want to be good at one thing then all of a sudden want to have 400 squat, 300 bench, 500 deadlift, and run a 4 min mile, with a 3 x bw snatch and be able to hold an iron cross at the same time.

Just focus on the gymnastics stuff you want to do and leave the long metcon **** out.

Have you checked out gymnastic bodies for conditioning stuff or to see what those guys do when they want to include extra stuff?
I love the asinine comments some people make on these threads too. First off, i never said anything about a 400 squat, 500 deadlift, a 4 min mile, a 3xbw snatch. My goals are reasonable, there's nothing insane about a gymnast/CF'er wanting to be able to BS 300 pounds, or get under a 7 min mile. If I said i ONLY want to do gymnastics and ONLY wanted to be a good gymnast your opinion might be valid.

Yes I've spent quite a bit of time on Gymnastic bodies and looked it over and done some of their WOD's.

There's no need to try and spread your defeatist attitude, keep worthless comments to yourself.
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