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Old 10-04-2012, 04:28 PM   #11
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Re: Squat help---can't keep torso upright

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EH?! I've never heard of keeping a double chin look. In general most PL'ers will tell you the body follows the head.

Plus this guy is air squatting so both comments from you and Mike are a little off topic, but in general I agree with Mike, look up, or at least keep a neutral gaze I would definitely not shoot for a double chin...??

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ON Video #1 the second squat where you fell back you started with your knees instead of your hips, then your body tried to self correct because you probably felt the weight on the balls of your feet and you simply over corrected and fell back. That's my take.

Yep ankle flexibility could be an issue, have you tried taking a slightly wider stance?
Powerlifting is my primary focus, i read about it and watch it on the daily.

The squat and DL arent much different. You want a double chin when you DL, similarly goes for the squat (remember im talking powerlifting - i.e. posterior chain dominant. It seems OP is looking for the Oly quad dominance). Your back is in its strongest position when you ATTEMPT to force the chin back. Im not saying sink it down and get 3 chins going. Keep the head neutral and force it back like youre locking the spin in place, as if you wanted to crush a tennis ball between your chin and throat.

Looking up at the ceiling as Mike said is just stupid, absurd, and asking for injury.

Mark Rippetoe even advocates people to be looking down a few feet ahead of them as they squat. Locks the spine, and easier to initiate hip drive.

At OP, heres a sum of what you have to do.
Youre a tall guy with a long femur. Invest in lifting shoes, widen the stance, and work on flexibility/mobility of you ankles, hips, lowerback, knees, everything.
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Old 10-05-2012, 11:09 AM   #12
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Re: Squat help---can't keep torso upright

I think it's more about whatever works for you..

Most of the lifters I watch and have learned from look up...but they are out of Louie's camp at WS. Have you seen any injuries from people looking up...I haven't.

I never much got into Rip much though I did read SS and Practical Programming back in the day.

I feel much better and stronger looking up than down. I think Rip advocates looking about 6 feet in front of you to train hip drive more and for the completely neutral spine.

We should clarify that looking up does not mean craning your neck back as far as possible...
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:39 PM   #13
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Re: Squat help---can't keep torso upright

The hips have to come forward relative to the feet if you want the torso more upright. This means either spreading the knees out more to make room for the hips or sending the knees further forward. Or both.

If the one knee can only extend an inch over the toe that's a problem. Squats don't require a huge degree of ankle flexibility but they do require more than that.

In a multi-joint movement like the squat, when one joint lacks flexibility the other joints must make up the difference.
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Old 10-07-2012, 09:09 PM   #14
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Re: Squat help---can't keep torso upright

Your torso will never be perfectly straight up and down, even in a front squat. I think your back angle looks fine in your videos and you are trying to force a more upright torso for no good reason. Start squatting with some weight and let your body dictate the positions it needs to be in in order to be successful, not some arbitrary notions you have about how you think you should look.
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