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Old 11-16-2010, 06:55 PM   #81
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Re: Ongoing back problems: a new hypothesis

Quick update for now. I moved to the northeast, and there being no certified NUCCA docs within a few hundred miles, I decided to try a different approach. I found and started visiting a board certified Atlas Orthogonal doc. They do a very similar thing, except the adjustment is delivered via a machine instead of by hand. In several conversations with the doc, I was presented with many reasons why previous adjustments might not have held, and what can be done in each of the cases.

The worst case scenario would be that my ligaments in the neck are too stretched out to hold the atlas in its correct place, even if it's moved back there. She thinks this is unlikely without severe trauma, which I've not had. A much more likely explanation is that the variance naturally inherent in a manual adjustment could have something to do with the correction not holding.

She is also clearly more in-tune with corrective exercise and TMJ aspects than my previous practitioner (she does dentist referrals), which is a good sign. I just had the first adjustment tonight. So far, so good; I'll see how well this works out.
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Old 11-27-2010, 05:55 AM   #82
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Re: Ongoing back problems: a new hypothesis

Jeff,
I have had similar troubles to yours. My problems have been more with my sacrum coming out of alignment, sciatic pain and knee trouble. I had my first sciatic pain when I was 24. In addition to crossfit, I have participated in competitive jiu jitsu, and I do construction work. Unfortunately, I believe my work is what has exacerbated my problem at 30 years old. I dealt with some doctors and they all wanted to tell me I had disc problems cause of the sciatica, which I really feel strongly I do not.
Anyway, I stumbled on this website about 2 months ago now, www.mortonsfoot.com. I bought these inserts and they are fixing me. I am not spamming, I am just a regular guy. I have no affiliation with this company. I noticed a difference in about a week, and it continues to get better. I'm probably 85% now, and it is still improving. Worth a shot, especially since they come with a 90 day money back guarantee. I knew they were keeping my money after 2 weeks.
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:09 AM   #83
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I have had similar troubles to yours. My problems have been more with my sacrum coming out of alignment, sciatic pain and knee trouble. I had my first sciatic pain when I was 24. In addition to crossfit, I have participated in competitive jiu jitsu, and I do construction work. Unfortunately, I believe my work is what has exacerbated my problem at 30 years old. I dealt with some doctors and they all wanted to tell me I had disc problems cause of the sciatica, which I really feel strongly I do not.
Anyway, I stumbled on this website about 2 months ago now, www.mortonsfoot.com. I bought these inserts and they are fixing me. I am not spamming, I am just a regular guy. I have no affiliation with this company. I noticed a difference in about a week, and it continues to get better. I'm probably 85% now, and it is still improving. Worth a shot, especially since they come with a 90 day money back guarantee. I knew they were keeping my money after 2 weeks.
Except this has nothing to do with this thread.... the heck.

Seems like spam
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Old 11-27-2010, 12:23 PM   #84
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I can see that it does. Which is why I clarified. I am only recommending these cause they worked for me, and back pain sucks ***.
Here is a link to my actual place of business. If this helps in convincing
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Old 11-27-2010, 12:24 PM   #85
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And I disagree that it has nothing to do with the thread. It has everything to do with it. Are we reading the same things?
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Old 11-28-2010, 09:50 AM   #86
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And I disagree that it has nothing to do with the thread. It has everything to do with it. Are we reading the same things?
He has upper cervical/TMJ issues causing problems with his spine and scapulas. If you read through the thread you would see that the different issues from the loewr body are caused from waaaaay up high on the spine and/or jaw.

You are having foot issues causing problems with your knees and SI joint (or vice versa). Nothing to do with upper cervical/TMJ management.

Totally different issues.
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Old 11-28-2010, 10:55 AM   #87
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Re: Ongoing back problems: a new hypothesis

I am not an expert on these inserts. I just know they worked for me. If you take a minute and look at the website, you will see that TMJ and cervical issues are included in what the inserts are supposed to fix.

It is not so hard to imagine that foot problems could create problems all the way up.

Steven, I am new to this forum, but I've been lurking for a while. I see that you have been a member here a while and helped lots of people. I have learned a lot from reading your posts. I am not trying to start an argument, or say that your advice isn't correct. I'm just sharing my own experience.
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Old 07-10-2011, 07:27 PM   #88
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I've definitely turned a corner on this now. All throughout the winter, I kept losing the adjustment within a week, or two at the most. My AO doc sent me to a specialist in craniosacral massage. This treatment didn't seem particularly effective in increasing the hold time (which increased by about a week), but it definitely decreased general tension and stress in my head/neck. This also seemed to help my TMJ/jaw movement (abnormal translation upon opening my mouth is pretty much gone now). The frequency of these massages was about once a week at first, and has since decreased to about once a month (may try for every six weeks in the near future).

Once I started to suspect scalene involvement (due to some self trigger point work), my doc sent me to a PT who does soft tissue work with the Graston Technique. This is a method that uses metal instruments to break up fascial adhesions and scar tissue. The PT did this on my scalenes, levator scapulae, and a few other neck and shoulder muscles. This work seemed to really be the key in helping me to hold the adjustment. After a couple of sessions of Graston, I was holding for more than a month (until I had a bicycle wipeout and lost it).

Now, I've been holding for about 3 months without the need for an atlas adjustment. My AO doc has still felt the need to do some adjustments with the activator on my thoracic spine and pelvis. This, along with some scapular retraction exercises, has helped a lot with my primary symptom (the constant back cracking and tension).

Needless to say, my doc and I are both very pleased at this new found progress. She still thinks that my foot pronation is contributing to my pelvic issues, but after reading Steven's excellent article (w/fs), I've stuck to my guns on not getting her recommended orthotics. Although she still hates the idea of me wearing Fivefingers, she's softened a bit on her position that orthotics are required for my case, given the progress I've made.

I'm looking forward to continue healing and strengthening after years (decades?) of chronic problems. My frequency of posting here will probably decrease unless something changes drastically, although I do plan to do a much fuller write-up of my full end-to-end experience in the hope that it's informative to someone else in a similar situation down the line. These will probably take the form of blogs posts that I'll link here. In the meantime, if anybody has any questions, I'll try to answer them as honestly and completely as I'm able to.
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Great news man.

What professionals did you see since I'm in MD?
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:13 AM   #90
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Re: Ongoing back problems: a new hypothesis

Hey,

I just read through the whole thread and wanted to say thank you for sharing all your experience.
I'm the same age as you and I'm too plagued with chronic pain for at least 10 years (low back, hip, knee, shoulder). I feel like nobody on this planet can help me, but your story gave me hope!

Thanks.

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