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Forum: Exercises 09-03-2010, 02:02 PM
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Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

I thought my original comment might provoke some nerdy analytical discussion that very few people would care about. I never imagined it creating lasting hostility and derision.

Some presses have...
Forum: Exercises 09-03-2010, 01:41 PM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

Yes!

But balancing the forearm above the elbow and extending it against no torque force as the shoulder moves the load is much LESS work than actually overcoming a torque force created by a large...
Forum: Exercises 09-03-2010, 01:15 PM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

I conceded most of what is in your studies, made some comments and asked some questions about interpretation.

I said it's not my feel that means anything its whether or not others can experience...
Forum: Exercises 09-03-2010, 12:51 PM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

If you're saying the only right way to pull is with strong flexion then you're not saying my point is wrong, you're saying its irrelevant to you. Cool.

I learned to row from a bb perspective, with...
Forum: Exercises 09-03-2010, 12:38 PM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

My study is much better than published. It is replicable by anybody with an open mind, 5 minutes and minimal equipment. If that's a worthless point to make on an exercise board then I guess I am as...
Forum: Exercises 09-03-2010, 10:06 AM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

I did my own study. I tied a rope from my elbows to a weight plate and did a row. The weight came up and the angle between my upper arm and the rope changed. There was no muscle creating the flexion...
Forum: Exercises 09-03-2010, 09:54 AM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

A. I have simply never ignored it.
B. You haven't ever told me wht that load is when the forearm is vertical.




You've incorrectly said this before too.


I absolutely did not say that. I said grip...
Forum: Exercises 09-03-2010, 09:26 AM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

Turn this argument around to pulling.
Cut and paste the same anatomy text about arm flexion and the biceps/brachialis.
Do an EMG that shows strong activation of the arm flexors in a typical bent row....
Forum: Exercises 09-03-2010, 09:09 AM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

I can't imagine why you think I disagree with the first paragraph. I have explicitly agreed with it many times.

The only problem with the second is that there is not ONE mechanical leverage in any...
Forum: Exercises 09-03-2010, 08:42 AM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

Triceps. Are we done with that now?

Now you tell me what force the triceps is extending the elbow against in my second example.

The locking out action in a typical press is a less extreme example...
Forum: Exercises 09-03-2010, 08:29 AM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

Is this a joke?
Deliberate provocation?

How many times have I said that the elbow extends in every press but under widely different amounts of torque load depending on the exact method of...
Forum: Exercises 09-03-2010, 04:19 AM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

There is certainly some circular argument going on as I've tried to find a clear answer for this question several times for multiple people. Contrary to at least one explicit claim I'm really not...
Forum: Exercises 09-02-2010, 04:47 PM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

See attached wfs picture

Imagine these as 2 shoulder width grip bench presses seen from the side.

The first would be starting from a down position directly above the shoulder joint and pressed up...
Forum: Exercises 09-02-2010, 08:05 AM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

Does this mean the thread would be worth something with pictures? :)

I have a couple of options I could try if it would make a real difference.
Forum: Exercises 09-01-2010, 03:02 PM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

'closed chain' vs 'open chain' I believe. I never remember which is which.

edit - That terminology might not apply because the leg press is a restricted movement device. If the leg press were done...
Forum: Exercises 09-01-2010, 02:55 PM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

That would be saying the tricep is pushing against the dumbbell to force the humerus toward the ground. It CANNOT do tha because the shoulder is fixed.


In dips the hand is anchored and the...
Forum: Exercises 09-01-2010, 02:35 PM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

you got it
Forum: Exercises 09-01-2010, 02:34 PM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

Ah!! That word should be shin! I thought you were being silly saying skin.

Same physics. Reversed arangement of parts. The torque on the knee is max when the femur is horizontal and minimum when the...
Forum: Exercises 09-01-2010, 02:12 PM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

I'm in the greater Rochester area. Hate to be more specific on open internet.
Buffalo would be kind to me, I think. Maybe a rt90 rest stop south of Buffalo.

You remind me that one of my tt opponents...
Forum: Exercises 09-01-2010, 10:55 AM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

I am not forgetting that. I haven't forgotten it for 30 years.

If you froze the forearm in place you could move the humerus and the rest of the body with the triceps. Dips are something like doing...
Forum: Exercises 09-01-2010, 09:40 AM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

Fine but there has to be a torque load. Force straight along the lever into the fulcrum creates zero torque. Actually you don't even have to change the angle, just exert force trying to not that that...
Forum: Exercises 09-01-2010, 09:06 AM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

Extension or flexion does not necesarily mean extension or flexion under any meaningful load.

Rowing can quite possible be done with zero force from the arm flexors but the arm is passively flexing....
Forum: Exercises 09-01-2010, 07:12 AM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

I agree with everything you said except the first sentence. External load is max when the external force is normal to the forearm. I have explicitly specified free weights and a vertical external...
Forum: Exercises 08-30-2010, 10:38 PM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/torq2.html#la (wfs)

There are 2 different torques forces at the elbow. The external force(load) is determined entirely by the bone(the wrench in the link)...
Forum: Exercises 08-30-2010, 09:31 PM
Replies: 91
Views: 25,012
Posted By Ben Clark
Re: Triceps

Thanks for input.

I'm assuming the 'not true' means the second 'upper arm' should be forearm.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/torq2.html (wfs)

Maximum lever arm is a term that may help...
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