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Sean Dunston 03-24-2015 09:20 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Victor J McQuaide;1250808]I think that DC has to test all of the movements just like before.

Leaves Box jumps, Thrusters, burpees of some kind, Rowing and maybe pistols.

I hope that the thrusters are super heavy, box jumps are high, burpees are long, rowing is medium and many pistols...

But I have learned that I know nothing of what DC says on Thursdays.

Will be fun to do and watch. Just need to close the show.

Cheers

Vic[/QUOTE]

Vic-
My idea was a twist on 14.5 with burpees and progressively heavier thrusters
21 95/65
18 115/75
15 135/85
12 155/95
9 175/105
6 195/115
3 215/125

Of course it would a little bit nastier to turn those burpees into burpee box jumps.
;)

Dare Vodusek 03-24-2015 09:33 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Tim Alford;1250806]If Rich and Jason both finish in the top 5 worldwide and do the team competition, does that lessen the main event? I mean, if Fraser finishes first in the Open and then wins the Games, then that is fine by me. But when 2 of the top 5 in the world aren't competing individually I think it makes a huge difference. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]

I think thats going throw Rich's head, winning the games without winning it ;)

And also fraser is thinking about it...for sure.

Jon Campbell 03-24-2015 10:57 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Sean Dunston;1250805]burpees
thrusters
box jumps

movements we've seen in EVERY past Open - but not yet in 2015.[/QUOTE]
Was thinking the same thing. About the only 3 left. Maybe they combine the burpee and box jumps, make them burpee box jump overs and thrusters.

Alex Burden 03-25-2015 12:17 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
What would be great is if Castro and company threw a spanner in the works and threw in a 15.5a after they were done with the first workout.

This would mean that none of them have saved anything for later thus nobody can plan anything! a bit like double grace at the end of the 2015 games.

This would really mess things up and we would see a mass change in the leaderboard making both the men's and women's final result very exciting :D.

Cam Peavy 03-25-2015 05:23 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Alex Burden;1250842]What would be great is if Castro and company threw a spanner in the works and threw in a 15.5a after they were done with the first workout.

This would mean that none of them have saved anything for later thus nobody can plan anything! a bit like double grace at the end of the 2015 games.

This would really mess things up and we would see a mass change in the leaderboard making both the men's and women's final result very exciting :D.[/QUOTE]

The only people who wouldn't know about it would be the 3 girls competing that night; and they would almost definitely redo the workout a couple days later.

Wouldn't really change anything as far as the leaderboards go.

Tim Alford 03-25-2015 06:08 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Cam Peavy;1250848]The only people who wouldn't know about it would be the 3 girls competing that night; and they would almost definitely redo the workout a couple days later.

Wouldn't really change anything as far as the leaderboards go.[/QUOTE]


I agree, and it would be a little dishonest. The Games is different because it's expected somewhat. But for the Open it is all about planning and adapting to the workout. To let 269,997 know the full workout when they do it and 3 not know, that's not really fair. I understand they all do multiple workouts but if they push 100% it takes a day or two to recover. It wouldn't be great in my opinion!

Christopher Morris 03-25-2015 07:08 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Victor J McQuaide;1250808]I hope that the thrusters are super heavy, box jumps are high, burpees are long, rowing is medium and many pistols...

Vic[/QUOTE]

Vic,
Every time you predict something you like to see, I'm just thinking, "Please, no!"

Heavy thrusters? Nope.

HSPU? Nope.

Pistols? ... okay, I could go for that, maybe.

You like stuff that I don't.

[QUOTE=Tim Alford;1250806]If Rich and Jason both finish in the top 5 worldwide and do the team competition, does that lessen the main event? I mean, if Fraser finishes first in the Open and then wins the Games, then that is fine by me. But when 2 of the top 5 in the world aren't competing individually I think it makes a huge difference. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]

If Fraser (or Panchik, or a few others) wins the Games, I don't think it lessens their achievement at all just because Rich isn't competing as an individual.

Going into the last two workouts of the 2014 Games, Fraser was within three places of beating Froning. Panchik gave Rich a run for his money at Regionals last year. There are competitors that are arguably as good as Rich.

We're at an interesting place in the development of the sport. Some of these athletes are "retiring" or withdrawing from individual competition, but they're still fit enough to be killing it in the Open. When they've been so involved in the community for years, they don't disappear or cease to have a presence. It's interesting.

Glenn Plomchok 03-25-2015 07:19 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Sean Dunston;1250809]Vic-
My idea was a twist on 14.5 with burpees and progressively heavier thrusters
21 95/65
18 115/75
15 135/85
12 155/95
9 175/105
6 195/115
3 215/125

Of course it would a little bit nastier to turn those burpees into burpee box jumps.
;)[/QUOTE]

Sean - I just puked...and also said something very similar last night :)

Michael Cook 03-25-2015 10:01 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
I have 2 guesses for 15.5:

1. 3 rounds, 2 minutes at each station, no rest or transition time, score is total reps.
Thrusters (weight increases each round: 95-115-135)
Burpee box jumps
Bar Muscle ups

2. For time:
50 cal row
40 bar facing burpees
30 thrusters
20 box jump overs
10 bar muscle ups

I could also see pistols show up or lateral bar hops show up in 15.5 somehow.

I could also see a 15.5a show up, like the c2b in the Team Series: 2x ME set of c2b with a 1min rest inbetween.

Stephen Hrapsky 03-25-2015 03:49 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
My guess for 15.5 with what remains:

AMRAP of:
-Thrusters of ascending weight
-Burpee box jump overs.

This would be kind of like the DL/BJ workout last Open, or the Snatch/burpee from 2 years ago.

With a 15.5a of max cal row in X min.

Feel like they need to do something to balance out the 1RM.

Nic Nakis 03-25-2015 05:20 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
They did a burpee/thruster couplet last year, so I don't think that'll happen. But I have been wondering when those two movements might show up. Also missing: box jumps, row. After using a C2 rower last year, I figured that would have to show up this year. I really thought this year would feature Triple-Unders, since that has shown up on mainsite a lot in the past couple years (and would take advantage of the RX division).

Predictions:
15-min. AMRAP
box jumps
thrusters
burpees

or maybe something with a row instead...

Snir Golan 03-25-2015 06:20 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
i am sticking to my prediction of a chipper:

60 cal row
50 box jumps
40 burpees
30 heavyish thursters

Jason A Smith 03-26-2015 05:09 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
Kinda hoping I am right and kind of not.

You might see another for time style workout.....

21-18-15-12-9-6-3
Thrusters
Burpee Box Jump Overs

followed by a row some set distance or calories

Intact you may see the row before that or in between each set say for 20 cals

Buckle up though because whatever it is will bring on the worst suck of the whole five weeks, just like every other year.

Kevin Locker 03-26-2015 05:26 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
If I was in charge, we'd have the following:

15.5- 3 minutes- max pistols.
15.5a- Clock still running-
Chipper for time: 60 cal row, 50 burpees, 40 box jumps (24/20), 30 thrusters (155/105), 20 pistols (alternating leg), 10 bar muscle ups. 40 minute time cap, 1 second per missed rep. Score is total time (including the 3 minute pistol buy-in)

Shawn M Wilson 03-26-2015 05:51 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Kevin Locker;1250905]If I was in charge, we'd have the following:

15.5- 3 minutes- max pistols.
15.5a- Clock still running-
Chipper for time: 60 cal row, 50 burpees, 40 box jumps (24/20), 30 thrusters (155/105), 20 pistols (alternating leg), 10 bar muscle ups. 40 minute time cap, 1 second per missed rep. Score is total time (including the 3 minute pistol buy-in)[/QUOTE]

Got to remember recording time issues.

Jayme Gruber 03-26-2015 05:56 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Nic Nakis;1250891]They did a burpee/thruster couplet last year, so I don't think that'll happen. But I have been wondering when those two movements might show up. Also missing: box jumps, row. After using a C2 rower last year, I figured that would have to show up this year. I really thought this year would feature Triple-Unders, since that has shown up on mainsite a lot in the past couple years (and would take advantage of the RX division).

[B]Predictions:
15-min. AMRAP
box jumps
thrusters
burpees[/B]

or maybe something with a row instead...[/QUOTE]
Bold prediction :rofl:

People need to cool it with the triple unders. They're a circus trick, they've never even been in regionals or the games, they're not going to put them in the open...

John Drohan 03-26-2015 06:16 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
I'd say there's a non-zero chance Castro gets lazy and says 15.5 is 14.5.

Jayme Gruber 03-26-2015 06:33 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=John Drohan;1250910]I'd say there's a non-zero chance Castro gets lazy and says 15.5 is 14.5.[/QUOTE]They already repeated a WOD from last year. People would complain so much if they did that twice in one year.

John Drohan 03-26-2015 07:30 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Jayme Gruber;1250911]They already repeated a WOD from last year. People would complain so much if they did that twice in one year.[/QUOTE]

Oh I agree. That's why I wouldn't be surprised. :)

Christopher Morris 03-26-2015 08:43 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
"Here we go! Fourteen minutes of walking lunges!" Ha!

[url]https://instagram.com/p/0rBqeehobx/[/url] (wfs)

... yet, not so different from seven minutes of burpees ...

Alex Romero 03-26-2015 09:48 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Stephen Hrapsky;1250886]My guess for 15.5 with what remains:

AMRAP of:
-Thrusters of ascending weight
-Burpee box jump overs.

This would be kind of like the DL/BJ workout last Open, or the Snatch/burpee from 2 years ago.

With a 15.5a of max cal row in X min.

Feel like they need to do something to balance out the 1RM.[/QUOTE]

Balance out the 1RM? The Open is way skewed in favor of lightweight stuff, no?

Jayme Gruber 03-26-2015 10:13 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
Might as well throw out a guess as well

Chipper, for time
50 cal row
40 burpees to a 6" target
30 box jumps
20 thrusters 135/95
10 alternating pistols

Immediately after
5 minute max back squat

Diana Alt 03-26-2015 05:04 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Alex Romero;1250923]Balance out the 1RM? The Open is way skewed in favor of lightweight stuff, no?[/QUOTE]

There is absolutely no need to balance out the 1RM. The 1RM was needed to balance out all the lighter stuff that is traditional to the open.

Justin Lawler 03-26-2015 05:45 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
27-21-15-9
Row for cals
Thrusters 95/65

How do I film this?

Jon Campbell 03-26-2015 06:03 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
Well, no pistols. About all I can say good about this.

Jayme Gruber 03-26-2015 06:21 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
1 Attachment(s)
[QUOTE=Justin Lawler;1250940]27-21-15-9
Row for cals
Thrusters 95/65

How do I film this?[/QUOTE]

From my Team Series video:

WFS

Steven Ngo 03-27-2015 02:09 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
seems like a lot of submitted videos are not showing the calories (rower is in the frame but the monitor is tiny). guessing those would all get rejected?

[QUOTE=Jayme Gruber;1250942]From my Team Series video:

WFS[/QUOTE]

In that example, is your athele in the frame on the drive/finish?

Jason A Smith 03-27-2015 07:25 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
It said nothing about the monitor in the video at all. I showed it on my wife's score at the end last night. But seriously are people that dishonest they would cheat ? You could go back in the memory on the tower and show it afterwards. I and sure Her score will be fine.

Diana Alt 03-27-2015 07:59 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
The video submission standards say you must demonstrate you met the workout movement standards. The most important standard for the row is starting at zero and ending at the prescribed calories. I would have a hard time not rejecting a video that didn't show calories. And yes, the athletes I judged today worked to get that in their video in case it's request for regionals qualification.

Steven Wingo 03-28-2015 04:44 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
I would not characterize the Open has being skewed toward light weight for the general population of CrossFitters. If you are talking about the elite athletes who are at least regional contenders, yes the weights are light. But I'd say if you have to put the bar down on the thrusters for 15.5, that isn't light weight. And only the very best athletes can go unbroken.

I'd say 90% or more of athletes' scores on 15.5 will be determined primarily by how well they handle the weight of the thrusters. Only for the very best athletes will rowing times become a big differentiator.
------

One thing to consider is CrossFit's published analysis of 15.4. They concluded the "ideal body weight" for an excellent score appears to be about 2.7 pounds of body mass per inch of height.


Quote: "Then there's this "ridge" of body composition, roughly at 2.7 lb. of body mass per inch of height in males, and at 2.2 lb. per inch in females, that seems to yield the best scores for this workout for a given height."


That would mean a male who is 5'8" would have an ideal weight in the range of 180-185 lbs. A woman who is 5'4" would have an ideal body weight of just over 140 lbs. And this is on a workout which included lots of HSPU--a gymnastics movement you think would favor lighter athletes.

Given this info, I tend to think the workouts are actually skewed toward the strength of very strong athletes as opposed to athletes with big engines. Someone who is 5'8" and over 180 lbs, with a "fit" body fat percentage, is pretty stout. That is definitely not a lightweight.

Even most of the gymnastics movements favor very strong athletes. Take a look at gymnasts and look how they are built. Their strength is outstanding. Even in the Open, CrossFit as a sport is one which favors very strong athletes as opposed to athletes with big engines.

Steven Wingo 03-28-2015 04:50 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
I would not characterize the Open as being skewed toward light weight for the general population of CrossFitters. If you are talking about the elite athletes who are at least regional contenders, yes the weights are light. But I'd say if you have to put the bar down on the thrusters for 15.5, that isn't light weight given the number of reps involved. And only the very best athletes can go unbroken.

I'd say 90% or more of athletes' scores on 15.5 will be determined primarily by how well they handle the weight of the thrusters. Only for the very best athletes will rowing times become a big differentiator.
------

One thing to consider is CrossFit's published analysis of 15.4. They concluded the "ideal body weight" for an excellent score appears to be about 2.7 pounds of body mass per inch of height for men and 2.2 pounds per inch for women.


Quote: [B]"Then there's this "ridge" of body composition, roughly at 2.7 lb. of body mass per inch of height in males, and at 2.2 lb. per inch in females, that seems to yield the best scores for this workout for a given height."[/B]


That would mean a male who is 5'8" would have an ideal weight in the range of 180-185 lbs. for 15.4. A woman who is 5'4" would have an ideal body weight of just over 140 lbs. And this is on a workout which included lots of HSPU--a gymnastics movement you think would favor lighter athletes.

Given this info, I tend to think the workouts actually favor very strong athletes as opposed to athletes with big engines and lack strength but still might do well on a workout such as burpees only. Someone who is 5'8" and over 180 lbs, with a "fit" body fat percentage, is quite stout. That is definitely not a lightweight and is most likely very strong athlete.

Even most of the gymnastics movements favor very strong athletes. Take a look at how gymnasts look and are built. They are little powerhouses and their strength is outstanding.

Even in the Open, CrossFit as a sport is one which favors very strong athletes as opposed to athletes with big engines but lacking in strength.

Victor Robles 03-28-2015 10:02 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
Tickets for Regionals go on sale March 30th!

I plan on going to watch the South Regionals in Dallas, TX. This is my first time going. Does anyone know what price range tickets have been in the past?

Thanks in advance!

Richard Colon 03-28-2015 10:10 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Steven Wingo;1250985]I would not characterize the Open as being skewed toward light weight for the general population of CrossFitters. If you are talking about the elite athletes who are at least regional contenders, yes the weights are light. But I'd say if you have to put the bar down on the thrusters for 15.5, that isn't light weight given the number of reps involved. And only the very best athletes can go unbroken.

I'd say 90% or more of athletes' scores on 15.5 will be determined primarily by how well they handle the weight of the thrusters. Only for the very best athletes will rowing times become a big differentiator.
------

One thing to consider is CrossFit's published analysis of 15.4. They concluded the "ideal body weight" for an excellent score appears to be about 2.7 pounds of body mass per inch of height for men and 2.2 pounds per inch for women.


Quote: [B]"Then there's this "ridge" of body composition, roughly at 2.7 lb. of body mass per inch of height in males, and at 2.2 lb. per inch in females, that seems to yield the best scores for this workout for a given height."[/B]


That would mean a male who is 5'8" would have an ideal weight in the range of 180-185 lbs. for 15.4. A woman who is 5'4" would have an ideal body weight of just over 140 lbs. And this is on a workout which included lots of HSPU--a gymnastics movement you think would favor lighter athletes.

Given this info, I tend to think the workouts actually favor very strong athletes as opposed to athletes with big engines and lack strength but still might do well on a workout such as burpees only. Someone who is 5'8" and over 180 lbs, with a "fit" body fat percentage, is quite stout. That is definitely not a lightweight and is most likely very strong athlete.

Even most of the gymnastics movements favor very strong athletes. Take a look at how gymnasts look and are built. They are little powerhouses and their strength is outstanding.

Even in the Open, CrossFit as a sport is one which favors very strong athletes as opposed to athletes with big engines but lacking in strength.[/QUOTE]

If I'm reading this correctly, you are saying that the make or break points on 15.5 are going to be based on strength? I disagree. Sam won the announcement solely based on her engine, not on her strength or ability to "handle" the weights. I know you specifically said that to the elite athletes, the thrusters are light, but both Annie and Camille have an easier time with that weight than Sam does, because they are both stronger - yet Sam won the workout, handily.

For the 90% you mention, putting the bar down isn't a matter of handling the 95/65. It is the metabolic insanity that thrusters put upon you. It always is. Thrusters at these common weights are always about how long can you endure the suck and heart rate in the throat. It is never about being a bit "too heavy".

A 95lb thruster for any decent male Crossfitter - no where near elite - is light. It is the total reps and damage caused after a row where it happens. The strong but no where even close to Regional level females in my gym can handle 95lb (male weight) thrusters for numerous reps. Any time it creeps beyond 7+ reps, they never mention how "heavy" it is. It simply is because its really hard for them to continue without feeling like they will die. They all Front Squat 175+ and Push Press 150ish and I'm talking about them doing thrusters with mens weights and it isn't a strength issue for them. I find it hard to believe that anyone doing 15.5 not scaled, as a man, is going to have any issues because of their strength.

I can thruster 225 for 3-5 reps. Not comfortably, but strength wise, it isn't all out insane for me. I'll be putting down these 95lb thrusters on the rounds of both 27 and 21, so to me, without a doubt, its engine. And I don't consider myself an overly strong normal, weekend warrior, old guy type of Crossfitter, so 90%? Nah.

Michael Cook 03-29-2015 12:27 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Victor Robles;1250994]Tickets for Regionals go on sale March 30th!

I plan on going to watch the South Regionals in Dallas, TX. This is my first time going. Does anyone know what price range tickets have been in the past?

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]

I went to watch the NW Regionals last year, and the tickets were about $20 for one day.

Diana Alt 03-29-2015 05:36 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
Richard, thanks for your thoughtful post analyzing what's going to get people in 15.5. I'm constantly amazed by how many people don't understand what the primary suck of a workout is going to be, even when they've done Crossfit for years. I guess it helps keep things interesting, though!

Jim Ryan 03-29-2015 04:29 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
I agree that strength wasn't nearly a limiting factor for this workout. Strength clearly helps but it comes down to your conditioning. We can all do sets of 10-20 thrusters at 95lbs but can you do them when your heart is beating after the row? The cumulative damage from all the reps is spot on.

Nicholas Wheeler 03-30-2015 06:18 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Jim Ryan;1251023]We can all do sets of 10-20 thrusters at 95lbs but can you do them when your heart is beating after the row?[/QUOTE]

Nope.... no we all can't =(

Snir Golan 03-30-2015 08:43 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
maybe i am blind but i don't see Camille on the leaderboard anymore... :confused:

Miles Roberts 03-30-2015 08:51 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Snir Golan;1251040]maybe i am blind but i don't see Camille on the leaderboard anymore... :confused:[/QUOTE]

She, among a ton of other huge names haven't posted 15.5 scores yet. No Lauren Fisher, Rich Froning, Matt Fraser, and a ton of others. Check back tonight or tomorrow.

In fact, if you search for her on the leaderboard, it'll take you down to a group of the big-name females who are in the top 100ish of the open, but haven't posted scores yet. Right there is Camille, Emily Bridgers, Stacie Tovar, Dani Horan, Lauren Fisher, Julie Foucher, etc.

Jason Fischer 03-30-2015 09:10 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Snir Golan;1251040]maybe i am blind but i don't see Camille on the leaderboard anymore... :confused:[/QUOTE]

She said she was going to do it again if she got pushed out of first. Last time I checked, she was in third, so I imagine she is re-doing it.


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