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[QUOTE=Eric R Cohen;1248539]If they make RX too hard for "advanced" CFers, it will suck and take all the fun out of it IMO.
I've worked hard to get to my level (beyond intermediate but not elite), if I had to compete in the scaled division it would take all the satisfaction out of it. Sure, I'll never make it to games or regionals, but I've worked hard to get to this level. Competing with beginners is no fun. Hopefully they'll strike a balance. My 2 cents and mini-rant.[/QUOTE]

I feel the EXACT same way, Eric. I was also pretty disappointed they made super regions making Regional access all the more exclusive. It was pretty cool to see a local guy there and even having a chance, albeit a slim one, of making it.

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[QUOTE=Jason A Smith;1248313]Both herself and her husband (Dave Lipson) are registered there. My guess is they are now living in that Region.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://games.crossfit.com/article/camilles-move[/url] (wfs)

Camille used last year's prize money to put a downpayment on a house in Boulder, Colorado. The article also mentions that Annie Thorisdottir lives in New York and registered for the Open in that region.

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[QUOTE=Christopher Morris;1248565][url]http://games.crossfit.com/article/camilles-move[/url] (wfs)

Camille used last year's prize money to put a downpayment on a house in Boulder, Colorado. The article also mentions that Annie Thorisdottir lives in New York and registered for the Open in that region.[/QUOTE]
$275K was just the downpayment?!?! Must be a heck of a pad!

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[QUOTE=Tighe Crovetti;1248581]$275K was just the downpayment?!?! Must be a heck of a pad![/QUOTE]

It said "after putting [U]part[/U] of last year’s $275,000 prize toward buying a house"

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[QUOTE=Casey Dietz;1248560]I feel the EXACT same way, Eric. I was also pretty disappointed they made super regions making Regional access all the more exclusive. It was pretty cool to see a local guy there and even having a chance, albeit a slim one, of making it.[/QUOTE]
If anything, I feel they are going in the wrong direction by making regionals tougher. I'd love to see a whole 'nother level, after open, and before regionals, "qualifications"?
Make it more inclusive, not less. Not to sound too harsh, but the scaled division just says "you lost, you're out" from day one.
Again, I'm not elite and probably wouldn't make it to the my proposed new round, but it would be exciting to try...

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[QUOTE=Bryan Selent;1248589]It said "after putting [U]part[/U] of last year’s $275,000 prize toward buying a house"[/QUOTE]
Boulder is a pretty expensive place...
Or it could have been a 75% down payment...

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Well she didn't actually walk away with that amount. By the time Uncle Sam and california get their share she had a whole lot less.

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Yeah... housing prices in this area of Colorado are obscene. I'm sad every time I make a mortgage payment. It makes me pine for the days I used to live in the midwest. If I could just figure out how to work in Denver and live in Indiana...

The realtors and mortgage brokers that I know say there aren't enough houses to sell. Houses between 200k and 400k will have 10 offers the first weekend they're listed on the market, some offers above asking price. It's crazy.

Back on topic....

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[QUOTE=Eric R Cohen;1248629]If anything, I feel they are going in the wrong direction by making regionals tougher. I'd love to see a whole 'nother level, after open, and before regionals, "qualifications"?
Make it more inclusive, not less. Not to sound too harsh, but the scaled division just says "you lost, you're out" from day one.
Again, I'm not elite and probably wouldn't make it to the my proposed new round, but it would be exciting to try...[/QUOTE]

Eric,
I think you're getting at something here. I noticed that the marketing to get people to sign up for the Open has changed. A couple of years ago it was "the most egalitarian competition on earth;" anyone could enter and anyone could win. How do you stack up against the best? Prove your fitness. World champion fitness was the definition of success.

This year it's "Fittest in ______." You fill in the blank. You decide what success is. This is meant to feel more inclusive, i.e., more people can succeed if your definition of success is "Fittest in [U]my gym[/U]," or "Fittest in [U]my town[/U]." (For me, success will have to be limited to "Fittest in [U]my home gym[/U]." :p)

As this competition has developed over the years, people recognize that the imagined dream of winning Games or even qualifying for Regionals just ain't gonna happen. Changing the nature of Regionals and also the marketing invite acknowledges that, intentionally or not.

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[QUOTE=Eric R Cohen;1248629]If anything, I feel they are going in the wrong direction by making regionals tougher. I'd love to see a whole 'nother level, after open, and before regionals, "qualifications"?
Make it more inclusive, not less. Not to sound too harsh, but the scaled division just says "you lost, you're out" from day one.
Again, I'm not elite and probably wouldn't make it to the my proposed new round, but it would be exciting to try...[/QUOTE]

This could be achieved by requiring the top 100 from each region to participate in an online qualifier on the same weekend as the Masters qualifier, with a similar format. Teams would also be required to participate in team WODS that weekend. I could see something like this in 2016.

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Would be so much video review. I think that you will see the usual suspects going to the regionals.. and some up an comers do the same. Sadly your buddy from your box is not going to make regionals this year. Was fun to get the shirts and cheer for your horse in the race. Will be different but some of the guys/girls who did not make the top 3 in the hard regions will make it now that they take some of the single regional spots from the people who are not on the top. It will put the best of the best at Regionals and then games. Be interesting to see what Lindsey V, Sam Briggs, Garrett Fisher and others that were champs and in top 3-5 will do to get back in the mix. People like Amanda Allen and Danielle Sidell should get into the games. Go Amanda!

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[QUOTE=Steven Thunander;1248727]This could be achieved by requiring the top 100 from each region to participate in an online qualifier on the same weekend as the Masters qualifier, with a similar format. Teams would also be required to participate in team WODS that weekend. I could see something like this in 2016.[/QUOTE]

I don't see what another round of competition adds to the Games season. The Open is the qualifier.

What benefit do you expect by adding an online qualifier between the Open and Regionals?

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[QUOTE=Christopher Morris;1248751]I don't see what another round of competition adds to the Games season. The Open is the qualifier.

What benefit do you expect by adding an online qualifier between the Open and Regionals?[/QUOTE]


It's kind of like bringing back the sectionals phase of the games, and allows HQ to see how these athletes perform under games conditions. It also allows your local box hero a chance, and gives teams a qualifying round before regionals.
It also gives HQ another source of money as those who qualify will have to pay another entry fee for it, and the winners of their respective region's sectionals (both individuals and team)will also qualify for prize money. Hypothetically, Scoring for individuals would be the same as the masters- 6 workout scores plus one for superregional rank and one for worldwide rank in the Open. Teams would be scored on their six workouts alone.

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Okay, I see where you're coming from.

I thought Regionals replaced the old sectionals.

The Open is one workout per week. It's pretty lax on recovery demands.

An online qualifer in one weekend would be a more taxing test of recovery, but I don't think it would be a test of Games conditions. You're not competing shoulder to shoulder with other athletes if you're submitting online workouts. An in-person Regionals is a better test of Games conditions.

I think the Open provides enough spread of scores that those who should qualify for Regionals do.

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Yes or no on the following RX open-
HSPU? yes hope so for me
HS Walks? yes hope so for me
Bar Muscle ups? yes hope so for me
Pistols? yes hope so for me

Over or unders- could be adding weight like 13.1 or 14.3
Cleans or C&J over 200#
Snatch over 200#

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I think no HSPU, HS walk or pistols in the Open. So, Vic, you will have to wait until the Games to show off your HS walking and pistoling skills.

I would love to see bar muscle ups in the Open, and I think that is possible. I haven't taken the judges course this year, but I remember last year it was a movement that was covered in the judges test.

I think HSPU will be in Masters qualifier, and handstand walking and pistols wil be in regionals.

I think we will see an Open wod with ascending weights. We've had ascending weights of snatches is 2012 and 2013 and ascending weights of DL in 2014, so it should be something else - thrusters or clean and jerks.

I also predict that the Masters qualifier will have a 1-3rm strength and a benchmark workout. I'm hoping for OHS for the strength and Diane or Jackie for the benchmark.

I think regionals will have a 1-3rm strength and a hero wod. I think snatch + OHS would be a good test for regionals. Not sure what would be a good hero wod for regionals. Regionals will also have some sort of nasty, soul-sucking chipper like the 100's in 2013 (DU-WB-C2B-DBSN) or the 50's in 2014 (row-bjo-dl-wb-rd-wb-dl-bjo-row).

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Bench press. Bench press will be in the open.

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I seriously doubt HS walks will be in the open. Near impossible to correctly video with other movements. Plus it really takes away the "garage crossfitter". The works almost have to be movements that can all be done in a relatively small amount of space.

I could see HSPU's although they too would be very hard to video. Probably the reason regular pushups have never been in there (at least that I can remember).

Pistols - Zero chance. My guess is less than 10% of crossfitters can do them.

My guess is the WODs will not be that different from past opens. Maybe a little heavier.

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[QUOTE=Jon Campbell;1248828]My guess is the WODs will not be that different from past opens. Maybe a little heavier.[/QUOTE]
My coach's opinion was similar. The Rx Open will look very much like past opens, with the exception of the "gimme" weights. No more 75# snatches or 95# thrusters, or if they're in there, you'll ascend, the whole WOD won't be at those weights. The only movement I can see them adding is bar MU. HSPU's aren't covered in the judges course, so I really doubt those will appear, even though they are video-able and "compact."

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[QUOTE=Steven Thunander;1248727]This could be achieved by requiring the top 100 from each region to participate in an online qualifier on the same weekend as the Masters qualifier, with a similar format. Teams would also be required to participate in team WODS that weekend. I could see something like this in 2016.[/QUOTE]

Interesting idea.

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[QUOTE=Tighe Crovetti;1248831]My coach's opinion was similar. The Rx Open will look very much like past opens, with the exception of the "gimme" weights. No more 75# snatches or 95# thrusters, or if they're in there, you'll ascend, the whole WOD won't be at those weights. The only movement I can see them adding is bar MU. HSPU's aren't covered in the judges course, so I really doubt those will appear, even though they are video-able and "compact."[/QUOTE]

I actually think we won't see much change in weights. Look at the "fran" type WODs we've seen the last two year. Both were absolutely killer workouts, even for the best competitors. No way you want that weight heavier. Also I thought 14.1 was a really good test of motor. Even though the weight wasn't super heavy, that combined with the doubles taxed the hell out of your shoulders, forearms and motor. There was quite a bit of strategy to that one, IMO. You couldn't just go balls out for 10 mins. You had to have some kind of pace to it.

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The Open this year will look a whole lot like the Open's of year's past with one (maybe two) things a little different.

Castro was pretty blatant on why the scaled version. A lot of people cannot do C2B and T2B and DUs etc so this provides them an opportunity

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Is there a prize for winning the scaled division? If not, I don't see much of a reason for your average joe to sign up since it is basically a donation to HQ. Of course, I thought the same before but now with zero possibility of moving on it seems more blatant.

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[QUOTE=Luke Sirakos;1248866]Is there a prize for winning the scaled division? If not, I don't see much of a reason for your average joe to sign up since it is basically a donation to HQ. Of course, I thought the same before but now with zero possibility of moving on it seems more blatant.[/QUOTE]

PROVEN - "The Fittest [SIZE="1"](but not quite as fit as the other fittest)[/SIZE] on Earth"

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15.1 Froning vs. Fraser

We must be looking at a high rep and weight ladder. These two strong horses that can move the weight and move it for a long time...

This is going to be a real test..

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[QUOTE=Alex Burden;1248890]15.1 Froning vs. Fraser

We must be looking at a high rep and weight ladder. These two strong horses that can move the weight and move it for a long time...

This is going to be a real test..[/QUOTE]

Okay, so dumb question (maybe I'm just totally out of the loop), but I thought Froning hung it up after last year? He was just going to go Team this year? Did he change his mind?

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[QUOTE=Jeremy Schultz;1248897]Okay, so dumb question (maybe I'm just totally out of the loop), but I thought Froning hung it up after last year? He was just going to go Team this year? Did he change his mind?[/QUOTE]


I honestly think no one but Rich knows (and he might not know yet). If he has the ability, which I think he still does, to win the games, why not go for it? That's a nice check. I think as a team member you still have to do the open workouts, no? I'm not sure how that all works. I'd love to see him go out and win the games one more time. But if he goes out there and gets blown out by Fraser then maybe he says, "I'm just doing team anyways" lol

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[QUOTE=Jeremy Schultz;1248897]Okay, so dumb question (maybe I'm just totally out of the loop), but I thought Froning hung it up after last year? He was just going to go Team this year? Did he change his mind?[/QUOTE]

Could just be doing the open like how Foucher demoed the workouts the year she didn't compete. Since he is the face of Crossfit I have a feeling he will be involved plenty.

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[QUOTE=Luke Sirakos;1248900]Could just be doing the open like how Foucher demoed the workouts the year she didn't compete. Since he is the face of Crossfit I have a feeling he will be involved plenty.[/QUOTE]

He still has to do the open if he wants to compete on a team, as his team has to qualify. If I remember correctly when he said he was going team he said he still wants to win the open.

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[QUOTE=Jeremy Schultz;1248897]Okay, so dumb question (maybe I'm just totally out of the loop), but I thought Froning hung it up after last year? He was just going to go Team this year? Did he change his mind?[/QUOTE]
You have to qualify as a team the same way you do as an individual. If he wants to go to the Games his team will have to finish in the top 15 of the Open and top 5 at Regionals.

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[QUOTE=Alex Burden;1248890]15.1 Froning vs. Fraser

We must be looking at a high rep and weight ladder. These two strong horses that can move the weight and move it for a long time...

This is going to be a real test..[/QUOTE]

This matchup is going to be awesome. CFHQ sure did this one right.

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Most are predicting Fraser to be the new Froning, so this should be an awesome "match". This could easily be a repeat of 13.1 with the ascending snatches. If HQ wants to showcase these two, you would have to imagine we'll see some kind of heavy weight Oly lift.

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If you look at Rich F's profile it doesn't say his Box on it. If you look at Mayhem he doesn't show up on the roster. Going team.. wonder who its going to be with.. I am sure he has a plan. Going team will be fun to see if his team wins.. gotta have 5 other horses also.

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I am very, very selfishly bummed that the Regional in Toronto is no more. That's pretty harsh news for this one to bear.

I guess I won't be submitting my vacation request. :(

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[QUOTE=Victor J McQuaide;1248932]If you look at Rich F's profile it doesn't say his Box on it. If you look at Mayhem he doesn't show up on the roster. Going team.. wonder who its going to be with.. I am sure he has a plan. Going team will be fun to see if his team wins.. gotta have 5 other horses also.[/QUOTE]

He hasn't registered for this year yet.

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[QUOTE=Luke Sirakos;1248866]Is there a prize for winning the scaled division? [/QUOTE]

I can't find anything in the rulebook about a prize for the scaled division.

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[url]http://games.crossfit.com/article/shoulder-injury-sidelines-kasperbauer[/url] (wfs)

Kyle Kasperbauer is not competing this year due to shoulder injury and surgery.

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[QUOTE=Michael Cook;1248917]This matchup is going to be awesome. CFHQ sure did this one right.[/QUOTE]

And 15.5 will be a match between three women Games champions: Leblanc-Bazinet, Briggs, and Thorisdottir. It's going to be a fun Open for spectators!

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The 2014 Games documentary is outstanding.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akcc6DphLIg[/url] (not WFS, some language)

Camille talks about a moment of mental weakness at the beginning, when her rower was not working. When I saw that in the 2011 Games I thought she didn't have the mental toughness to ever be the champ. Later she makes a comment about maturing her mental game. Then watch her struggle with the sled (around 53:15). She definitely deserves to be the top athlete. In my opinion she has changed since 2011 and is a much stronger competitor.

Also interesting in relation to [URL="http://www.board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=88334"]this thread[/URL] (speculating about Rich and PEDs, wfs), Pat Sherwood and Rich have a brief conversation about PEDs around 12:50.

The whole video is definitely worth a watch.