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Shane Upchurch 10-22-2007 08:24 AM

PT says no more Squats
 
Ive been going to the PT for about 2 months now, again, for pain in my lower back. He has made it somewhat better but cannot seem to make it completely go away. The past two weeks I have not done any squats or dl's with weight, air squats only. Today he told me he didnt think there was much else we could do and that I may consider going to see a back specialists. He also said that I should leave out any type of squats for a while, weight or no weight, and see how my back feels, because it seems to flare up whenever I go into a deep squat. I was wondering if anyone else out there has experienced something like this? Im guessing I should do what he says but would like to know what you all think as well. He believes I may have a herniated disk that is touching a nerve. Its not that bad of pain just irritating more than anything, but I want to get it back to 100% so I can start doing some oly lifts. Any suggestions?

Jay Cohen 10-22-2007 08:53 AM

Re: PT says no more Squats
 
[QUOTE=Shane Upchurch;206994]Ive been going to the PT for about 2 months now, again, for pain in my lower back. He has made it somewhat better but cannot seem to make it completely go away. The past two weeks I have not done any squats or dl's with weight, air squats only. Today he told me he didnt think there was much else we could do and that I may consider going to see a back specialists. He also said that I should leave out any type of squats for a while, weight or no weight, and see how my back feels, because it seems to flare up whenever I go into a deep squat. I was wondering if anyone else out there has experienced something like this? Im guessing I should do what he says but would like to know what you all think as well. He believes I may have a herniated disk that is touching a nerve. Its not that bad of pain just irritating more than anything, but I want to get it back to 100% so I can start doing some oly lifts. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]

Pending budget, my choices, not in order of importance:

MRI
Deep Tissue Massage
Second opinion from a PT that works with Athletes
Good OrthoPod that works with Athletes
Yoga

Keith Stevens 10-22-2007 08:54 AM

Re: PT says no more Squats
 
Are you having any radiating symptoms? What makes the pain worse or better? Whan happened when the pain started? Have you seen anyone beside the PT for treatment?
What has worked in physical therapy(ice, heat, stim exercise)?
What hasn't worked?
Have you had any X-rays or MRI taken?

Garrett Smith 10-22-2007 09:08 AM

Re: PT says no more Squats
 
The other advice has been good so far, my main addition is this.

Get with a really good CF trainer and make sure ALL of your squats are done with correct form, whether with a weight or without. There will be a pain-free ROM for your squat, however deep/shallow it is at this point, [B]stay within that pain-free range.[/B] Expand that range as your pain decreases. Inducing pain will only set you back.

Realize that you have a long time of CFing and OLing ahead of you and seriously work on this issue now.

Too many PTs (and even more doctors) wouldn't know good squatting form at all, so beware of squatting advice from that group in general.

Best of luck. Don't mess around with this issue.

Tim Donahey 10-22-2007 09:24 AM

Re: PT says no more Squats
 
Is your butt "winking" at the bottom of your squats? If it is your squat that is contributing to your back pain, it is probably an issue of tight hamstrings causing lumbar spine flexion. Try stretching your hamstrings before squatting and after exercise and only going as low as you can without the "butt wink."

Here's another thread on the topic (wfs): [url]http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=7113&page=1[/url]

Shane Upchurch 10-22-2007 03:37 PM

Re: PT says no more Squats
 
Okay, I have had x-rays that a dr. and pt have looked at, but the dr. was a urgent care dr, which I have been told are not always the best doctors. He saw nothing wrong nor did my PT. My PT did point out one joint just above the sacrum I think its called and showed me how the distance between the vert. were different but said he didnt think that was a huge problem.
I have quit doing weighted squats the past two weeks and that seems to have helped with the pain, but I can still feel it when I let my back hunch over at the shoulders and lean forward. The pain started 1.5 years ago and I dont know what exactly triggered it, most likely bad form in a DL or SQ (this was before I started CF). I havent seen anyone other than two different PT's from the same practice. It always feels good when I leave the PT but usually creeps back throughout the day. I almost always feel it, in my back and some in my right buttocks, when I sit down no matter what my posture is. I've trained some recently with CCT Joey and he hasnt seen anything awful in my squat but my form has changed dramatically since I started CF. Im not sure about the butt winking but I do hamstring stretches before every WOD.
Okay, I think that answers about everything...thanks for the advice guys and keep it coming.

Aileen Reid 10-22-2007 04:15 PM

Re: PT says no more Squats
 
I had back pain the last 2 years - actually sacroiliac joint pain. I had got to the stage where I couldn't squat because my back hurt too much. I ended up going to see a guy who told me my pelvis was twisted, my left leg was functionally 3 cm shorter. I did 3 visits to him and he manipulated my pelvis and give me exercises to do and no no more back pain. Indeed the knee pain I also had is markedly reduced as well!

Gant Grimes 10-22-2007 04:59 PM

Re: PT says no more Squats
 
[QUOTE=Aileen Reid;207183]I had back pain the last 2 years - actually sacroiliac joint pain. I had got to the stage where I couldn't squat because my back hurt too much. I ended up going to see a guy who told me my pelvis was twisted, my left leg was functionally 3 cm shorter. I did 3 visits to him and he manipulated my pelvis and give me exercises to do and no no more back pain. Indeed the knee pain I also had is markedly reduced as well![/QUOTE]

Sounds like SI joint. That's what did it for me. I'd see what a chiro had to say before going to another doc. You might be surprised.

Aileen Reid 10-22-2007 07:32 PM

Re: PT says no more Squats
 
Incidentally I was going to a physio for my back pain on and off over that 2 years, and having heaps of pilates. As you say, it helped but didn't fix it.

Shane Upchurch 10-23-2007 05:42 AM

Re: PT says no more Squats
 
Aileen what kind of doctor did you see?


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