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David Boyle 07-31-2008 11:39 AM

Pre-workout Supps. Do You All Use Them?
 
Greetings athletes!

I was curious on what supplements people take in the crossfit genpop? What is your take on preworkout supps like no-explode, shock, or any other caffene based drink. Do you drink em?

I'm not going to kid around. I do sometimes. When I'm doing grinding workouts w/ kettle bells or deadlifts, I love the rush it gives.

However doing high intense wods like fran, helen, or nancy...its hit or miss. Sometimes I feel real good. Other times I feel real dehydrated. I know why about the dehydration, so no need to explain that.

Just wanted an opinion from the masses.

Thanks.

Nick Shimondle 07-31-2008 11:50 AM

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Im in the whole food group way of thinking. No supps for me, but just as insurance I take a high quality liquid multi-vitamin.:cool:

Laura Kurth 07-31-2008 11:53 AM

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I 'take' coffee for my caffeine needs :)

As for supps, multi vit on occasion, sometimes a calcium pill. Oh, and fish oil caps.

David Boyle 07-31-2008 12:03 PM

Re: Pre-workout Supps. Do You All Use Them?
 
Yea I'm a big coffee drinker at times too. Caffeine is my addiction. I don't drink alcohol or smoke. So to each his/her own!

Laura Kurth 07-31-2008 12:10 PM

Re: Pre-workout Supps. Do You All Use Them?
 
oh, i like alcohol too. But not pre-workout, lol

Frederick Holt III 07-31-2008 12:17 PM

Re: Pre-workout Supps. Do You All Use Them?
 
When I was BodyBuilding I tried everything under the sun and personally I prefered NO-Xplode, but doing CF and being on the Zone I don't feel the need to take any of that.

As for other Supplements, I use Animal Pak as a multivitamin 45 min before my workout, and I take Animal Omega for the Omega 3's and 6's (They have a great ratio between the two).

I have also tried 2 cycles of Animal Stak. One during the bodybuilding days, and the other during the CF days.

I found that the Animal Stak really helped my strength gains even after the three week cycle, but endurance wise I didn't see any improvements that I could attribute solely to the Stak.

David Boyle 07-31-2008 12:19 PM

Re: Pre-workout Supps. Do You All Use Them?
 
[QUOTE=Frederick Holt III;363559]When I was BodyBuilding I tried everything under the sun and personally I prefered NO-Xplode, but doing CF and being on the Zone I don't feel the need to take any of that.

As for other Supplements, I use Animal Pak as a multivitamin 45 min before my workout, and I take Animal Omega for the Omega 3's and 6's (They have a great ratio between the two).

I have also tried 2 cycles of Animal Stak. One during the bodybuilding days, and the other during the CF days.

I found that the Animal Stak really helped my strength gains even after the three week cycle, but endurance wise I didn't see any improvements that I could attribute solely to the Stak.[/QUOTE]

I love Animal products. They are the best imo. Hands down.

Derek Weaver 07-31-2008 12:19 PM

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Black coffee does it for me. Really the only thing I regularly ingest that I should cut down on... not happening anytime soon though.

Alcohol doesn't hurt now and then if the "workout" is wakeboarding or some other sport where a faceplant is going to happen regardless sobriety or not.:smiley_ev

Polo Lopez 07-31-2008 12:35 PM

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Hey David,

I used to spend so much cash on supps but when I started the Zone after doing the Paleo, I no longer find a need for them except one. And I do a cup of Jo in the AM or sometime during the day.
That being said, I did take NO-xplode, Muscle Milk, and Amino fuel by Twinlab (not all at the same time). I did one cycle of NO and when I started the 2nd I felt sick to my stomach during CF workouts. I switched to Cytosport's Fast Twitch and that was good for awhile, but then it started to make me sick like NO. Workouts like "Fran" put me in nausea land. Stopped taking the Fast Twitch, but I hate not having the pre-workout lift me up.
The Muscle Milk was great and I adjusted it to be Zone friendly, but I started to notice that I would be incredibly hungry after an hour sometimes less. Obviously, the carbs were raising my insulin too much. So no more Muscle Milk.
I started the Amino Fuel again. I never seemed to have any negative effects. Actually seemed to help recovery.
Other than that, I stick to a Zone being about a 5 block eater with 2 block snacks but fluctuates on rest days and follow the WOD daily. I have found the Zone with Fish oil caps to be the best way for me to eat and save me money. I stay at about 153-155 pounds without trying. Most people say I look about 180 pounds. Hope that helps.
BTW, congrats on your Trident.

Frederick Holt III 07-31-2008 12:38 PM

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As far as I'm concerned, and until I see results that show otherwise, I am sticking with animal products for life.

Kevin Mack 07-31-2008 12:49 PM

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The only good thing about NO-Xplode is the caffeine. If you prefer the taste and expense of it to coffee then that's fine, but arginine isn't necessarily gonna git you swoll and creatine doesn't absorb well when taken with caffeine. I have a shelf full of supps in my pantry that I haven't touched since I started CF. You can come by and get them if you want.

Jay Cohen 07-31-2008 04:55 PM

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Have you considered eating Real Food. Amazing how the right combination of Fats/Proteins and Carbs work really well.

Every wonder what the strong men in the late 1800's sup'd with, how about [B]big friggin steaks, tons of farm fresh eggs and milk by the gallon.[/B]

Now look at today, scoping crap out of plastic containers, got to love it......

Jay Ashman 07-31-2008 05:07 PM

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I used to take NO-Xplode when just normally lifting; on crossfit I think my heart would blow through my chest if I even tried it.

I rely on a simple cup of coffee an hour before now. It works without making me want to grind my teeth off.

As far as Animal products (namely the Animal MultiVit pack), here are two alternatives that BLOW those away. Healthy N Fit Super Nutri Pack and Beverly International Super Pack. Both of those are one pack potencies, unlike Animal Pack's two pack serving size. Both of them have more B vitamins and are easier to take down the hatch.

Thomas Bailly 07-31-2008 11:30 PM

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H2O is my pre and post workout supplement of choice:D

It is proven to do everything all the other supplements claim and it is absolutely free, tastes great, goes down great.
Highly recommended.

Jordan Wilkins 08-01-2008 12:56 AM

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I've been hearing things about beta-alanine and i've been researching it but it's still not clear to me how it works. does anybody know what exactly it does or how well it works?

Neil Duncan 08-01-2008 01:06 AM

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[QUOTE=Jordan Wilkins;364028]I've been hearing things about beta-alanine and i've been researching it but it's still not clear to me how it works. does anybody know what exactly it does or how well it works?[/QUOTE]

Not sure exactly how B-A works... It's supposed to 'buffer' lactic acid :confused:

I've tried it and felt no differences whatsoever apart from some pins and needles 5 mins after drinking lol... plus it is a expensive little supp.

Chicken and Turkey have quite high levels of BA anywhoo iirc

Scott Parker 08-01-2008 01:18 AM

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jay (cohen)-

are we part of the "old-school" crossfit mentality of eating real food?! if these thread was posted back in the day it would have been shunned for even mentioning supplements!

seriously, i like your comments best. eat real foo. period. if you're doing that and following the zone you're o.k.

i do however supplement meals with a protein powder, only because when i am at work i rarely get a chance to eat a proper meal in a 12 hour shift, and usually is the difference between at least eating something or not at all. i add some kind of frozen green veggie, froz fruit (berries, acai, etc.), cinnamon, oatmeal, olive oil, nuts, milk (a combination of any of these, not all at once!)

unlike some people i have to eat right before a workout, and the only "supplements" i tak pre-workout is caffine in the form of black coffee!

others swear by supplements, and they're putting up stellar times, but i think a lot of the money you toss into supplements is for their convenience over preparing and eating real food as opposed to their claimed gains in performance.


i have been away from the boards for a bit and it seems like the globo gym diet mentality has crept its way into our CrossFit world! save us robb wolf!

David Boyle 08-01-2008 08:32 AM

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Thanks for the feedback ladies and gents.

My current diet is pretty spot on for my activity levels imo. I eat a lot of meat, veggis, fruits, whole-wheat grains, drink about 1 1/2 gallons of water a day, with one cheat day a week. I follow the Zone. Not as strict as some of my fellow comrades out there, but I try to eat clean and natural. No drugs, no beer or liquor, no ciggerates, and I'm a married US Marine with four children. Its tough sometimes! But I wouldn't have it any other way.

When it comes to the supps I just like the caffeine rush. I'm not going to lie:stir: But I do know when I do HIT like CF WODS its hit or miss, when it comes to feeling great or feeling like I'm going to pass out!

Have a great day.

30 M/U's.

Good luck!

Jay Cohen 08-01-2008 09:11 AM

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[QUOTE=Scott Parker;364034]jay (cohen)-

are we part of the "old-school" crossfit mentality of eating real food?! if these thread was posted back in the day it would have been shunned for even mentioning supplements!

seriously, i like your comments best. eat real foo. period. if you're doing that and following the zone you're o.k.

i do however supplement meals with a protein powder, only because when i am at work i rarely get a chance to eat a proper meal in a 12 hour shift, and usually is the difference between at least eating something or not at all. i add some kind of frozen green veggie, froz fruit (berries, acai, etc.), cinnamon, oatmeal, olive oil, nuts, milk (a combination of any of these, not all at once!)

unlike some people i have to eat right before a workout, and the only "supplements" i tak pre-workout is caffine in the form of black coffee!

others swear by supplements, and they're putting up stellar times, but i think a lot of the money you toss into supplements is for their convenience over preparing and eating real food as opposed to their claimed gains in performance.


i have been away from the boards for a bit and it seems like the globo gym diet mentality has crept its way into our CrossFit world! save us robb wolf![/QUOTE]


Agree where you're coming from. Considering making up a batch of Meat Cookies, they can pack a powerful punch pending how you make them.

Sean Dunston 08-01-2008 09:48 AM

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[QUOTE=Polo Lopez;363573]Hey David,

I used to spend so much cash on supps but when I started the Zone after doing the Paleo, I no longer find a need for them except one. And I do a cup of Jo in the AM or sometime during the day.

[SNIP]

Other than that, I stick to a Zone being about a 5 block eater with 2 block snacks but fluctuates on rest days and follow the WOD daily. I have found the Zone with Fish oil caps to be the best way for me to eat and save me money. I stay at about 153-155 pounds without trying. Most people say I look about 180 pounds. Hope that helps.
BTW, congrats on your Trident.[/QUOTE]

Agreed!
Zone it! Get a decent snack (I have a 2 block snack) an hour or so before the WOD and a meal after the WOD - no supps needed.

Nick Shimondle 08-01-2008 11:43 AM

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[QUOTE=Thomas Bailly;364010]H2O is my pre and post workout supplement of choice:D

It is proven to do everything all the other supplements claim and it is absolutely free, tastes great, goes down great.
Highly recommended.[/QUOTE]

I've read somewere that this dihydrogen monoxide stuff is polluting our wells and rivers around the world ;)

Derek Weaver 08-01-2008 01:30 PM

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[QUOTE=Jordan Wilkins;364028]I've been hearing things about beta-alanine and i've been researching it but it's still not clear to me how it works. does anybody know what exactly it does or how well it works?[/QUOTE]

I believe the correct answer is: it doesn't.

Whenever something is peddaled very heavily by T-Nation (Biotest publication) I tune out.

Like Jay said, strongmen of the 1800's ate lots of beef, eggs, milk, real bread (not the crap that's in the store now).

More veggies, more meat, more fish and/or fish oil... get hyooooge.

Jay Cohen 08-01-2008 06:56 PM

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[QUOTE=Derek Weaver;364498]I believe the correct answer is: it doesn't.

Whenever something is peddaled very heavily by T-Nation (Biotest publication) I tune out.

Like Jay said, strongmen of the 1800's ate lots of beef, eggs, milk, real bread (not the crap that's in the store now).

More veggies, more meat, more fish and/or fish oil... get hyooooge.[/QUOTE]

Derek;

You the man. If you lived closer, I'd give ya some tongue.

Jason Galvan 08-01-2008 07:56 PM

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ANIMAL PRODUCTS ALL THE WAY!!

been using Animal for YEARS and will continue to use them for the simple fact that they work! Personal favorite is the M-Stak. Long story short, it makes sure the nutrients your eating (like a gallon o' milk a day) are being used for muscle and strength gains and not being ****ed away...literally. Also, Pump is great if your looking for a creatine supplement. They have been around for a long time for a good reason. Spend a lot of time on animalpak.com and do research. Plus, they have a forum too. Obviously its more for aspiring future Mr. Olympias but its still a wealth of knowledge from highly motivated people

hope this helps

Frederick Holt III 08-01-2008 09:12 PM

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For those of you who don't believe in Supps...

I am of the mentality that 95% of what you take in needs to be in the form of real food.

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Even Dr. Sears recommends supplements in the form of fish oils, omega 3...

Why?

Because it is incredibly hard to find these essential nutrients in the regular food that we eat.

I do not see a problem with supplementing a multivitamin, fish oil, or cycling a pro-hormone that is non-habit forming and is synthesized the correct way...

Why do I believe this?

For the same reason that is mentioned above. While all of these nutrients can be found in real food, it is much cheaper and easier to "supplement" these products.

If you don't agree with me that is completely okay, but I would ask that you show me a study that says taking a multivitamin (Animal Pak) and fish oil (Animal Omega) is harmful.

Zone Diet all the way...but when your body needs an essential ingredient, give your body what it needs

Kevin Mack 08-01-2008 09:24 PM

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My favorite Animal Product is Top Sirloin. I've never taken a supp that had a noticeable impact on my body or my workouts besides caffeine. I didn't even feel like I was gaining water weight on creatine. Arginine just made my veins pop a little (and gave me a lot of NRBs if you know what those are, NWFS). Whey protein I guess is technically food, but wouldn't you rather eat meat or drink milk?

Frederick Holt III 08-01-2008 09:27 PM

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Kevin,

Yes, without a doubt natural food is much better than supplementation. But we have to realistically look at convenience and price per serving in regards to exactly what you are getting.

Kevin Mack 08-01-2008 11:05 PM

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I'm not addressing vitamins and fish/flaxseed oil. I was mostly speaking of the pre-workout supps aimed at would-be bodybuilders. Stuff made by companies like MuscleTech and BSN that use manipulated research to make outrageous claims. The phrase "pre-workout supp" implied (to me) that he was talking about the stuff that claims to super-charge your workout or some other such nonsense. Vitamins and fish oil aren't aimed at workouts, but general health. That's what I meant in my comment.

Frederick Holt III 08-01-2008 11:10 PM

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Well taken Kevin.

I'm still not sure how I feel about people using "pre-workout supplements" But, I do know that if people have a good diet, there really isnt a need for most of the products out there.

Plus, I'm pretty sure that If I was to go back on NO-xplode (which I have long since stopped taking) my heart would explode during a CF workout.

Honestly, personally I do not feel the need for any pre-workout supps, I have tried most of them, and some were good, but I think CF gives you more of a pump than any of those products ever could.

Cheers

Derek Weaver 08-01-2008 11:11 PM

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[QUOTE=Jay Cohen;364672]Derek;

You the man. If you lived closer, I'd give ya some tongue.[/QUOTE]

Allies across the CF nation my friend. Thanks again for those Kefir grains. Slowly integrating a bit more into the "dietary scheme".

Erik Shauger 08-02-2008 05:45 AM

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I used to use so many different bodybuilding sups for energy, strength and size. Ever since I started x-fit about 3-4 months ago I haven't really used a supp other than coffee. I don't feel the need. Even on the rare heavy day I don't use anything. I don't know why. Maybe I am getting old and not believing the hype anymore. Plus my goals have changed alot. No more 300 lb benchs and 400 lb squats. Now it is all about fitness and agility.


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