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Richard Colon 05-30-2015 10:05 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Christopher Morris;1253205]CrossFit the competitive sport has developed beyond ever having a "dream team" competition of all the best athletes in one place at one time. Someone is out for an injury, or didn't qualify, etc.[/QUOTE]

I'll start by first saying, I am one of the biggest fans of MANY things Crossfit. I follow the games season like a kid does the calendar during the last weeks of December. I respect, enjoy and overall am impressed and entertained by the workouts, events, programming and all those things - specific to high level competition (regionals and games).

All that being said, in regards to Christopher's statement. So long as there are still some really dumb fuking movements and standards, you won't have the dream team. You can't call it "$hit happens", you can't sugar coat, you can't just blow it over with how proud we all are that Julie continued anyway (which was awesome). You can't just gloss over it and talk about how well she was doing, how well she cushioned her lead, how well this or that. Call it like it is. There is some really retarded programming and standards sometimes. At the highest levels of competition, that should NEVER be the case. It makes it all look very elementary school amateur from those on the outside looking in. Those that want to support their kids in becoming the next Fraser or Annie.

To allow things with such high risk with NO reward (what changes with a step down vs. jump and rebound other than a HUGE decrease in injury potential). Sometimes, along with SDHP, and..well I won't go on with the $hit of some Crossfit movements/standards. All it looks like at times is Crossfit programs for the sake of distinguishing itself as Crossfit with regard for the safety of its athletes as a secondary thing. Otherwise, WTF...still have rebounding jumps. Still have team DL, now with uneven weight and no standards in height with athlete 1 vs. 2?

It still, while maybe only 3% of the time, looks like high level Crossfit competition resembles a monkey fuking a football. That injury shouldn't have happened.

Diana Alt 05-31-2015 03:24 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Snir Golan;1253192]Julie is probably out with a tear to the Achilles. can we please stop with the BJ rebound now and switch to step downs only?[/QUOTE]

Her Achilles didn't go on a rebound. I was pretty close by, am friends with the judge who was six inches away, and talked to both Julie and Medical about it. Nobody is attributing rebounds - and God knows Medical would be happy to do so.

Snir Golan 05-31-2015 03:32 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Diana Alt;1253209]Her Achilles didn't go on a rebound. I was pretty close by, am friends with the judge who was six inches away, and talked to both Julie and Medical about it. Nobody is attributing rebounds - and God knows Medical would be happy to do so.[/QUOTE]

The video is very clear . She jumps down and as she jumps up it happens. It's never the actual rebound, it's the fact that you are rebounding and never let the muscle fully de load. There really is no reason to defend CrossFit here. We all saw this injury before and at this point, everybody knows that box jumps rebounds is just asking for trouble and really offer nothing other than "oh god look how fast he is going" moment.

Desmond Pegrum 05-31-2015 04:04 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
Really sucks Julie is out

not a fun injury to have

I really want to see Sam Dancer at the Games and Cody Anderson

To me that will show that the Regional events have been well programmed allowing different kinds of athletes with vastly different strengths to excel.

I don't want to see a games full of Rich Froning clones (clones in terms of physical makeup, 185 to 190 pounds etc)

Christopher Morris 05-31-2015 07:33 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Diana Alt;1253209]Her Achilles didn't go on a rebound. I was pretty close by, am friends with the judge who was six inches away, and talked to both Julie and Medical about it. Nobody is attributing rebounds - and God knows Medical would be happy to do so.[/QUOTE]

What else did they attribute it to?

Jason Fischer 05-31-2015 01:02 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
I wonder how all the women Julie Foucher is beating feel right now.... Got to be frustrating. Ha ha

Diana Alt 05-31-2015 04:01 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Christopher Morris;1253215]What else did they attribute it to?[/QUOTE]

I don't feel comfortable saying any more - i shouldn't have spoken about it all given that we are talking medical stuff. I was worn out from people playing armchair quarterback that were not here and have no first hand knowledge and opened my yap. Add that to the fact that What everyone thinks right after the incident and what you figure out a little layer are often different, and it's a no win discussion for all of us.

Snir Golan 05-31-2015 04:52 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Diana Alt;1253225]I don't feel comfortable saying any more - i shouldn't have spoken about it all given that we are talking medical stuff. I was worn out from people playing armchair quarterback that were not here and have no first hand knowledge and opened my yap. Add that to the fact that What everyone thinks right after the incident and what you figure out a little layer are often different, and it's a no win discussion for all of us.[/QUOTE]

nobody is playing armchair quarterback. torn Achilles while doing high rep box jumps = same cause 99% of the time. Again, this is not some freak accident like the one that happened to Ogar, this is an injury that we saw many times before and always in the same situation. If this is not a result of the box jumps, than i am very curious to hear what it was a result of.

Michael E Tancini 05-31-2015 04:58 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
If it is a partial AT tear, This one workout did not cause the injury alone. Achilles Tendon ruptures/injury's are most often a chronic overuse injury, that is the accumulation of many-many micro traumas that happen at a quicker rate than the tendon can naturally repair itself. Its an extremely strong tendon. Essentially that last jump was just "the straw that broke the camels back." Blaming this injury on high rep rebounding box jumps just isn't something that you can do. This injury happens in tons of other sports in which there is cutting or changing direction, eccentric contraction followed immediately by a concentric contraction. Happens in basketball, soccer, tennis, etc. Was she doing box jumps when it happened...yes...but was that the major underlying cause of the injury...probably not.

Whatever the injury is, I wish Julie the best of luck. I really-really hate seeing people get injured. Especially someone like her. I'd really like to believe that the injury isnt too serious and that it doesnt require any extensive recovery, but with her saying "I thought a barbell hit me in the back of the leg, then I wasnt able to use it" is a pretty tell-tell subjective report that leads itself towards an AT injury.

Snir Golan 05-31-2015 05:15 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Michael E Tancini;1253228]If it is a partial AT tear, This one workout did not cause the injury alone. Achilles Tendon ruptures/injury's are most often a chronic overuse injury, that is the accumulation of many-many micro traumas that happen at a quicker rate than the tendon can naturally repair itself. Its an extremely strong tendon. Essentially that last jump was just "the straw that broke the camels back." Blaming this injury on high rep rebounding box jumps just isn't something that you can do. This injury happens in tons of other sports in which there is cutting or changing direction, eccentric contraction followed immediately by a concentric contraction. Happens in basketball, soccer, tennis, etc. Was she doing box jumps when it happened...yes...but was that the major underlying cause of the injury...probably not.

Whatever the injury is, I wish Julie the best of luck. I really-really hate seeing people get injured. Especially someone like her. I'd really like to believe that the injury isnt too serious and that it doesnt require any extensive recovery, but with her saying "I thought a barbell hit me in the back of the leg, then I wasnt able to use it" is a pretty tell-tell subjective report that leads itself towards an AT injury.[/QUOTE]


good information and you are probably correct. its just that i am a firm believer in making things as safe as possible so i still don't understand why they can't just make step down the standard.

regardless, i wish Julie all the best, she is an incredible person and an athlete and i am going to miss watching her compete.


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