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Stuart Buck 05-08-2009 05:52 PM

No Massages
 
New study here: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0507164405.htm wfs Not vouching for it, as there are no details about the methodology, but the finding is interesting:
Quote:

A Queen’s University research team has blown open the myth that massage after exercise improves circulation to the muscle and assists in the removal of lactic acid and other waste products.

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Kinesiology MSc candidate Vicky Wiltshire and Dr. Tschakovsky set out to discover if this untested hypothesis was true, and their results show that massage actually impairs blood flow to the muscle after exercise, and that it therefore also impairs the removal of lactic acid from muscle after exercise.

Steven Low 05-08-2009 06:55 PM

Re: No Massages
 
1. What kind of massage were they using. That's the main question.

2. You don't need to "remove" lactic acid at all because it's not the cause of DOMS/etc..... unless you have an event within like 20 minutes after the event you just performed in.....

That's the only reason you would have to improve metabolic recovery.

Andrew H. Meador 05-08-2009 07:00 PM

Re: No Massages
 
I knew it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Low (Post 584810)
2. You don't need to "remove" lactic acid at all because it's not the cause of DOMS/etc..... unless you have an event within like 20 minutes after the event you just performed in.....

True. Lactic acid is a source of energy. The associated positive ions are the cause of muscular micro-fissures (and therefore muscular inflammation and pain).

Steven Low 05-08-2009 07:27 PM

Re: No Massages
 
Quote:

The associated positive ions are the cause of muscular micro-fissures (and therefore muscular inflammation and pain).
What???

Jeff Yan 05-08-2009 07:52 PM

Re: No Massages
 
Who cares? Massages feel awesome.
:D

Emily Maisannes 05-08-2009 10:11 PM

Re: No Massages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Yan (Post 584838)
Who cares? Massages feel awesome.
:D

Agreed!

Departed 05-08-2009 10:41 PM

Re: No Massages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Yan (Post 584838)
Who cares? Massages feel awesome.
:D

I agree with Emily's agreement. :D

Marcel Zwinger 05-09-2009 06:19 AM

Re: No Massages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Gedicks (Post 584909)
I agree with Emily's agreement. :D

Chris, I agree :D

Andrew H. Meador 05-09-2009 05:51 PM

Re: No Massages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Yan (Post 584838)
Who cares? Massages feel awesome.
:D

True :)

Re: Stephen

DOMS is caused by nerves being impacted upon by inflamed muscle tissue. This inflammation is caused by damage caused to the muscle by exercise. H+ ions contribute to this damage. H+ ions help to convert pyruvic acid into lactic acid, which is then used as a fuel source. Lactic acid is not "a waste product" of glycolysis.

Steven Low 05-09-2009 07:00 PM

Re: No Massages
 
Quote:

H+ ions help to convert pyruvic acid into lactic acid, which is then used as a fuel source. Lactic acid is not "a waste product" of glycolysis.
Well, that's not true which was why I wanted you to clarify.

1. H+ are byproducts of carbohydrate oxidation as well as ATP -> ADP + P dephosphorylation.

2. Stoichiometrically, there is no acid produced or needed in conversion of pyruvic acid to lactic acid.

3. Yes, lactic acid is an intermediate metabolite... not waste product. Although accumulation can be thought of as anaerobic waste I suppose if you want to measure intensity of exercise.


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