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Ian Holmes 11-15-2005 11:10 AM

Oh yeah... for those curious as to what I drink.

2-3L Skim Milk
6-8L Water
3 cups green tea

I quit drinking all booze about 5 years ago, and have touched it only once or twice in the past 3.
Those who ask about juice and pop/soda/soft drink can feel free to slap themselves *grin*.

Guest 11-15-2005 11:11 AM

Juice is a super great way to jack your insulin through the roof - elevated insulin = fat storage, no access to fat for energy demands, bad cholesterol, blood pressure, insulin resistance, etc....

Don't be a juicer. Be a chewer.

Kemal Eren 11-15-2005 11:17 AM

geez ian. you say you have time to cook 8-10 meals, walk everywhere, and work out all day? i'm extremely jealous. what do you do?

Brian Hand 11-15-2005 11:30 AM

I like the idea but I see a few problems. One obvious one is you lose all the fiber.

When you juice a fruit or vegetable, how can you be sure the good stuff isn't left behind in the pulp? For example, the antioxidants in berries are largely in the skin.

How much fruits and vegetables can you possibly cram into four capsules? Like about eight raisins worth? Maybe twenty raisins worth if there is some special processing? I'm skeptical that four capsules could even deliver the good stuff from a single serving of nutrient dense produce.

Edward D. Friedman 11-15-2005 11:32 AM


Good point. Notwithstanding the product name, it is not a juice. Rather, it is a powder made from a juice keeping the nutritional values intact. As the sugars are removed, it will not create the cascade of negative consequences envisaged by your post.

This is valuable for those who want the benefits of vegetables and especially of fruits without the sugar.

Ryan Heck 11-15-2005 12:10 PM

Just another multilevel marketing product. People "swear by it" so others become dealers so they make money. What's in it that is so revolutionary? Why can I take all my food by pill? Heck, I'm thinking about ditching Crossfit, buying a "Total Gym" like Chuck Norris and eating Juice Plus and Ho Ho's.

This does seem to be a moot discussion on a site like this (none of the testimonials posted pertain to fit folks with good eating habits), we are all interested in total fitness and good nutrition. So my advice, try a blackbox, if you aren't happy with your diet, give them your credit card, get the monthly shipments, see if you feel better.

Here's an interesting link (found at if that helps).

Roger Harrell 11-15-2005 01:55 PM

Hey don't knock the total gym. It's an excellent ring training device (if you jack one side up a lot and rig it with weights).

Ian Holmes 11-15-2005 04:29 PM

Greg- we could debate juice for months. My biggest problem is with Juice that has sucrose/glucose (the infamous modified corn starch) added to it. Short of making the juice myself it is hard to find any without it. Plus once you make the juice, you lose the fiber.... yada yada. Plus I am really not that in need of insulin spikes...

There are some benefits of going back to school. If you can figure out a way to weasel yourself back in, go for it.

Ian Holmes 11-15-2005 04:34 PM

and Ryan-

Not to be over critical but I would think that discussing supplementing ones vegetable intake really isn't the most bizzare thing in the world on a site of athletes who lead busy lives. Many nutritionalists recommend that people should supplement fatty oils, and protein and this is is never questioned. There seems to be little wrong with supplementing veggies if you are unable to get enough in your diet... especially when so many people eat too few.

Ross Hunt 11-15-2005 05:49 PM

Ian -

You get the gold medal for food consumption. Thanks for the info.

Yeah, going to school rules.

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