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Matt Thomas 08-05-2011 06:14 AM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
Yeah it was bad. Jason Khalipa didn't do much better.

Just go to the archive on the games website and you should be able to watch it.

Aushion Chatman 08-05-2011 09:41 AM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Applin (Post 970857)
Whoever said they need live scoring had it right.

Here's what they could do: Give each judge a rep counter that remotes to the athletes lane score on the big board. For things like watt bikes and rowers just count the calories or every 100m.

Judge sees a good rep, judge clicks the counter, rep score for the athlete is there for all the crowd to see. Should be easy to modify to work best for the individual events.

You can then have two big scoreboards, one for overall place and one for the event/heat at hand.

They can get the technology from Biggest Loser, they've been doing it for years...

Pär Larsson 08-05-2011 11:02 AM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
Good:

Swimming, finally! Great job on making up the beach event, Castro & Co.

Skills were a great idea. Accuracy, precision, throwing skills have never been tested before. Awesome idea.

2x 1500m beach run - I'd have preferred a straight-up 5k-to-heavy thruster event, but I'll take this. I'm glad this was in the program.

Monkeybar event - great job putting it in and making it work.

Cycling - good idea.

Final event basically being worth 3x the prior events to give athletes the sense of urgency and the audience a sense of anticipation and "down to the wire" excitement.

Presenters - Good job given that none of them are professional broadcasters. Give them a few months interning at ESPN or Reebok, or have Reebok pay for some professionals.

Video/livestream/film crew - Awesome work. Damn good stuff.

Bad:

Sorry, muscle-ups and HSPU's aren't functional movements. A wall climb would have been. But I recognize that I'm in the minority on that, and the movements look cool and impressive, so whatever.

No obstacle course. Well, kind of. But I'd have loved to have seen a timed event of obstacles going back and forth in the pit or on the field. Now THAT is some functional stuff.

Too-short swim. Should have been 4x200m swim, or 2x400m. If you can't handle that you're not a fully "life"-functional athlete and you don't belong competing at this level, just as you don't belong at this level if you can't handle the weight or rope-climbs. (I don't belong, e.g. the weight, HSPUs + pistols.) The world is 80% covered in water. Shouldn't you be able to survive in that water, as a fully fit, functional damn-near-pro athlete?

More load-bearing for distance. At least the teams were tested on it. I'd have liked a sandbag carry for 1 mile, with obstacles or up a hill or up and down the bleachers. Or a 5k sandbag run. Or a 150#/200# dummy transport.

Too much convenient equipment. I'd rather see body-shaped dummies or sandbags or atlas stones or oddly shaped objects than just constant barbell action. I realize the barbells are more convenient, but if we're trying to show that the things we do make us better at life - in real life outside the gym you won't be lifting conveniently shaped specially manufactured bars with just the right amount of gnurly grip machined into the surface.


CONCLUSION:
Great job to the people who made it happen and to the athletes. I really think this year's Games were an improvement over last years, if for no other reason than that swimming is finally a priority in many people's minds now.

All my complaints above are really minor. Thanks to Reebok also for stepping up. I'll be buying their stuff in the future just to support them supporting us. And good on the athletes for wearing gloves sometimes.

Speaking of Reebok - the athletes' names should be bigger on the shorts AND shirts. The athlete should have a chance to put their own design on the t-shirt ideally, or maybe at least their name - or nickname instead of name - in big letters across their back, like the NFL jerseys.

Dave Johns 08-05-2011 11:23 AM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
200 m swim? 3 km run? 700 m bike?

Those distances are extremely short. Why even bother?

How can you make a claim to fitness when you don't even get past a warm-up? How is this functional fitness if any given toddler can do it?

Eric Montgomery 08-05-2011 11:47 AM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
I figured Dave was due to come trolling again anytime now.

Dave, those are some impressive toddlers if they can also snatch 225+lbs, push a 385lb sled, and do multiple rope climbs in between heavy clean and jerks.

Dave Johns 08-05-2011 12:03 PM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Montgomery (Post 971065)
I figured Dave was due to come trolling again anytime now.

Dave, those are some impressive toddlers if they can also snatch 225+lbs, push a 385lb sled, and do multiple rope climbs in between heavy clean and jerks.

A toddler chimp could do that easily.

I am sure that you get my point. A short swim, run and bike doesn't really demonstrate aerobic or anaerobic capacity. Maybe my expectations are wrong. I thought this was about functional fitness.

To me, functional fitness would be a CF athlete entering a 3 or 6 mile race and doing well at it. Or maybe a bike ride that last more than 1 minute? Or maybe a swim beyond a couple laps of the pool. I wouldn't consider any of those distances to be 'functional'.

What's next, a boxing match that last 15 seconds? 20 seconds of hopscotch? Climbing a 10 feet mountain? Rowing across a bathtub?

Sorry, but I have to agree with Par.

Eric Montgomery 08-05-2011 12:19 PM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
Toddler chimp? Sorry, I thought we were talking about human competitors. I'm sure a chimp would out-handstand walk both the men's and women's winners too.

An OLer could easily point out that the heaviest weight the men had to C&J was 225lbs, which is less than half of the 85kg weight class world record of 480lbs. And the deadlifts didn't go any heavier than 275lbs when the world record is over 1000lbs. I guess you
missed the part where people had to be good at all of those things and not just one.

We went over the running thing before--plenty of the top guys have 5K times in the 19-20 minute range, even some of the guys in the 200+ bodyweights.

Dave Johns 08-05-2011 12:37 PM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Montgomery (Post 971078)
I guess you missed the part where people had to be good at all of those things and not just one.

I completely understand that part. Do you? Only doing short distances is to only doing ONE thing. Why not try something a little further? This is after all about 'functional fitness'. Why not show some of that function?

I think HQ is actually concerned they might not be able to do it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Montgomery (Post 971078)
We went over the running thing before--plenty of the top guys have 5K times in the 19-20 minute range, even some of the guys in the 200+ bodyweights.

Let's see them do 10 k, then. Let's see them swim further than I can throw a softball. Let see them bike longer than I can hold my breath.

Eric Montgomery 08-05-2011 12:52 PM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
Last time we went down this hole with you your best line was "I know I could run a 40:00 10K if I made it a goal." Ok, so have you? And you're missing the point that pretty much anyone at the Games could too if they made it a goal at the expense of their strength and shorter metcon capacity. Would that satisfy you?

The beach workout this year went 40+ minutes for most people--is that not a legit test of aerobic endurance? If people wanted to run or watch a 10K they would go watch a 10K. That doesn't mean a 10K belongs in the Games. I understand your point about it being a "standardized test of endurance" but there are plenty of other good standardized tests that I don't think should be in the Games...OL total, PL total, decathlon, 400m individual medley, 40yd dash, pole vault...I could go on and on.

Matt Thomas 08-05-2011 12:53 PM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
I kind of agree with John in that it really would be nice to see some longer distance events. It would go a long way to demonstrating a broader scope of fitness. I'm sure if they had made the swim alot longer it would have crushed a bunch of the athletes. However, I believe that there are several (Bridges for example) who could have handled longer distance events and still done everything else just as well as they did last weekend. If that's the case then maybe the athletes who are really good at the shorter stuff, but couldn't keep up on longer stuff as well don't belong on the same stage as someone who has mastered both.

And please make no mistake, I don't think it's NECESSARY because I'm of the mindset that we don't really need to find the "fittest" person, we just need to find a winner of the games. I just think it would be interesting to see some events that crept into the time domains of a variety of specialists.


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