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Jeff Binek 08-01-2011 09:46 AM

Final games thoughts
 
Hey guys - thought I would post my thoughts on the Games this year in a piece by piece run-down.

Events -

The Good -
I thought the First Event, the Muscle-Up DL event, Skills 2, the Rope Climb/C&J, and the Sled-Push/OHS/HSPU/DU event were all awesome. The creation of those were all well thought out, well timed, and properly weighted to bring the 'cream to the top.' I think that is the most important part about these events, and I have no doubt that 1 through 10 are all accurately displayed where they deserve to be.

The Bad -
I'll leave Skills 1 alone as plenty of people have bashed it. But the Final event for me was horrible. I get the whole 'lets do three scored events in one so there anything can happen' thing. Unfortunately even with the live scoring, and huge leads no one could tell where anyone stood during the event. Had they been closer races, those guys could've been pulling that sled back for the win or loss and no one would've known. Graham went from like 10th to 4th on that last workout. As a spectator not being able to know that kind of defeats the purpose, didn't matter much this year, but might in the future. Also on top of that, Rowing, Wall-Ball, T2B, box Jumps, Burpees, etc. are all boring as hell to watch. Especially when you have to watch it once, then twice, then a third time...

Eh - The Monkey Bar event was so cool and so lame at the same time, not sure what to say about it except that Josh Bridges passing Chan was awesome, and if that judge ruined Dan Bailey's style no repping him on the first monkey bar pass.

Stream -

The Good - ESPN3 came through in basically Hi-Def, and when they were actually showing the events live it was awesome, clean and crisp. As the weekend went they got better with the archives and the stream and watching became much less of a hassle (just wait til an hour or two after and watch the archives back).

The Bad - The commentary is laughably amateur. We had many people who had never seen the games over to watch and they were so confused. It comes across as professional with the cameras, HD and overall view of it, but then the announcing and stuff is still so busch league it's funny. It was so bad at the end we just muted it and turned on music. Heather Bergeron was the only one that was good in my opinion.
CrossFit continues to over-hype things from the beginning then fail horribly bad out of the gate. They don't grasp the concept of testing I guess, because the first day of everything is a train wreck. The stream was horrible, no archives worked, and it was embarrassing to have people in our gym who came to watch it just leave because it was so bad.
The lack of commentary in the stream was weird at first, but then I was so glad it wasn't there once I heard the ESPN3 'commentary'.

Eh - The ESPN3 broadcast was awkward. They acted as if the events earlier in the day hadn't happened, then they would show SOME OF the live events and discuss where people sat. Then they would go back and show the events earlier in the day. It didn't come across right at all. They shouldn't have had Sherwood's crew analyze at all, should've just talked for a second and gone to the live events. This could've cut down the broadcast to a couple of hours and been much more watchable.

Competitors

The Good –
I really believe that Annie and Rich were the fittest, and that Kristan and Josh were second. I think Josh was incredibly impressive throughout the weekend, winning events I thought Rich would take easily. Graham came back in the last event and it was the only time throughout the weekend that he made me go “god damn, there’s the champ!” It was almost as if he was saving it in anticipation of more events. The fact that Graham and Khalipa were within one spot of eachother throughout Day 2 and 3 was so sweet. It was like they were having their own mini-games with each other in Heat 2. Watching Annie Sakamoto was incredible also, she seriously inspires me and I am really glad she won the spirit of the games. The team competition was also very fun to watch…it’s too bad that CFNE dominated so bad, otherwise it would’ve been suspenseful and fun.

The Bad –
Julie Foucher fell out of the top 3 in the final event which was disappointing. I thought she was clearly more impressive than Becca Voigt throughout the weekend. I am already sick of hearing Rich saying his cliché, blanket answer to everything…”For the glory of God”…It makes me wish we had an articulate, interesting, well spoken champion like Speal. Them creating the nickname for him, the “million dollar man” – which for what I can tell makes no sense unless they’re talking about his marketability for Reebok. Rich is a beast though and I don’t mean to take anything away from him, I’m sure he is a nice guy, just looks like a Jersey Shore dude and is too upfront with his religion for my taste.

Eh – I am really interested to see the results of the Drug Test. It is something that they have never released publicly and I think they should. There are a few athletes that were huge for regionals, crushed it, then looked noticeably smaller at the games and underperformed. Obviously this could be due to a number of reasons, but having spent a lot of time researching and writing on PEDs in elite level sport competitions, a safe bet would be that at least 5-8 guys were using. The question came up at our gym from a friend who is an elite powerlifter about Rich and Khalipa (I’m guessing due to their unusually large arms, chest, & shoulders) and all I could say to him was that they say they’re drug testing, but I’ve never seen or heard any results.

Highlights

Bridges dominating event 1 and event 4

Julie Foucher and Sam Briggs on Event 1

Rich on the Rope Climb/C&J WoD getting no repped and still winning.

Rich and Annie on the Handstand Walk, who would’ve thought she would beat Camille and Julie?!

Rob O. Repping 225 seven times easy and making the best of his situation.

Bridges passing Chan on the Monkey Bar event, and Dan Bailey doing the speed turn around and the crowd erupting.

Bridges beating Rich on the Sled Push

Graham on the Final event just going balls to the wall on the 3 and 6 minute version, then having enough to take top 5 in the full version.

Team final – CFNE as a whole, but Mel Ockerby absolutely KILLING Fran.

Annie Sakamoto’s quads…I mean seriously.

*edit* - Watching Jay Rhodes do 50 burpees in Event 1 for going around the logs.


Final thoughts

They were successful in making CFG5 the best games yet, but I was hoping for it to be a little closer to being ready for mainstream. The commentary and production fell way short of what is going to be needed to be ready for a live ESPN broadcast, which I believe is the end goal. The competition and events themselves lived up to the title and I think it was a pretty brutal test. The competitors were insanely impressive and the fact that these guys got through that last workout with the speed and intensity after 3 days of very little sleep, rest and heavy weights, and longer workouts gives me hope for how insane this competition can really get. Hopefully next year they can maybe think about charging for the broadcast, but providing a much higher quality of stream and a better network for the archives on Day 1 not Day 3.

Jeff Binek 08-01-2011 09:52 AM

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A Couple of things I forgot -

The Masters winners were all JACKED! God I hope I look like that at their age, what a bunch of beasts!

The Women's top 2 heats are seriously as fun as watching the guys. I think it is the only sport that I can say that I honestly don't want to miss any of the womens, this is a HUGE step for womens athletics in my mind. The knock on womens sports is that they aren't as big, strong or fast as the men, but seriously Annie would kill me in everything, same weights. I gained a HUGE respect for the ladies this year (not that I didn't before) but the fact that there are more women becoming competitive is awesome. That being said some of the later heats were still tough to watch sometimes, but same was true for the guys.

Some of the form on the Clean and Jerk really turned the non-CrossFitters we had watching off, it was seriously freaking them out. I can't blame them, broadcasting that stuff gives CF a bad name...REALLY lucky no one blew out a knee on the live broadcast.

Matt Haxmeier 08-01-2011 10:03 AM

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Honestly, I liked the softball throw despite what tons of other people were saying. It revealed a pretty enormous weakness in athletes like Speal and Khalipa while showing that Froning is even more well rounded than they are. The "fittest man on earth" should be able to throw an object further than my wife. It shouldn't be the deciding factor of the whole event but it should definitely be an expectation, IMHO.

But I still think the boundaries imposed on it screwed it up with too many DNF's. Also the ridiculously short time in which they had to snatch and do the weighted chest to bar pullup stunk. And the lack of transition time in those skills. And while they can say pure strength was tested (1RM) it was slightly watered down with those restrictions placed on it.

The only exciting thing about the final event was the sled pull. It also started off with rowing and wallballs (repeating) which wasn't exactly fair for the smaller guys.

But overall I think this years were more fair than in the past. Both little guys and big guys performed admirably even on things you didn't think they would. On things like the sled push and sled pull the little guys who knew HOW to apply force ended up doing well while some of the big guys faltered.

In General, I agree with the things you said though.

Jeff Binek 08-01-2011 10:09 AM

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I still think the individuals final could've been like the Teams. Get rid of Karen and Isabel

Elizabeth
Fran
Grace
Diane

Each scored individually but also as one huge event. Therefore 5 events scored total. Might have screwed up the scoring a little more but who knows, would've been more fun IMO and the scoring as one huge event would prevent sandbagging, which ended up being a stupid strategy anyway.

Nicolas Kizzee 08-01-2011 11:09 AM

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Id have to agree with Matt on the softball throw... I felt embarrassed for some of the guys with how far they could throw it... They did it the right way combining it with 2 other events (l-sits should have been straight legged)..

The announcer was doing fine except for the fact he yelled "Lets make some noise," "Standup and show some respect for.. ," about a billion times... and the chants he tried to pull from the crowd...

Jeff Binek 08-01-2011 11:17 AM

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The best was he kept saying - "The Unbelievable ______" He used it on about 20 different people. My favorite was announcing Julie Foucher for the last WoD he goes The Unbelievable....wait for it...check his sheet...waiting...Julie Foucher! There was like a 10 second pause between "The unbelievable" and "Julie Foucher"...classic.

And it was "Stand up and show your love" or "Show your love, CrossFit"

Shane Jensen 08-01-2011 11:50 AM

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There were a few times where he even joined in, he'd ask the crowd to show love to someone and he'd go "YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!"

Bob Cieszkowski 08-01-2011 11:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Binek (Post 968819)
The Women's top 2 heats are seriously as fun as watching the guys. I think it is the only sport that I can say that I honestly don't want to miss any of the womens, this is a HUGE step for womens athletics in my mind.

Great summary Jeff, and agreed on all points, especially the Women's events. It was so much more exciting than I expected it to be.

And how about Barber out-pulling Khalipa on the sled? That $h!t was insane!

Jeff Binek 08-01-2011 12:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Cieszkowski (Post 968885)
And how about Barber out-pulling Khalipa on the sled? That $h!t was insane!

Yea that was awesome too! - I was shocked more guys (especially Khalipa) weren't able to do that, Barber truly is the Manimal (though I am disappointed in his body hair for the nickname...)

Benjamin Skott 08-01-2011 01:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicolas Kizzee (Post 968857)
Id have to agree with Matt on the softball throw... I felt embarrassed for some of the guys with how far they could throw it... They did it the right way combining it with 2 other events (l-sits should have been straight legged)..

I think the l-sit standard was for judging. It's a lot harder to say if someone's knees are completely locked out than it is to say "Just keep your feet extended over these plates, when your feet touch the plates it's over." Very definite end point rather than a more ambiguous, harder to judge one.

However, it seemed like most of the competitors didn't realize they didn't need to be straight-legged, so another communication issue from the organizers.

Jason Rahm 08-01-2011 02:45 PM

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At first I thought the softball throw was lame. But after I saw how extremely uncoordinated some of the athletes looked, I think it was a good event.

Matt Thomas 08-01-2011 02:46 PM

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There were good things about it. I thought the first event was a good idea. I think they still have a ways to go to make it more spectator friendly. Some of it was just soooooo boreing to watch. Agree with the last event. After so many wall balls and box jumps it's just like....yeah I get it, now who's going to finish first? The sled pull was fun to watch though.

One thing I will say...standards. The movements standards have become GARBAGE and I think that REALLY needs to be fixed. It's one things for form to break down when your going fast and to do some ugly lifts. I think it's another things to ALLOW pushing off the knees with your hands on squats, those retarded bent arm/ sumo pull hybrid kettle bell swings, and bent leg L-sits. It's called an L-sit for a reason. If you're going to bend your legs that's a different movement.

Congrats to Froning and Annie. They are definitely good competitors. Bridges was a nice surprise and hopefully we'll see more of him.

Struan Potter 08-01-2011 02:59 PM

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I think it would have been better for 3 different workouts for the last three events, rather than the same workout done interval training style. It would have been a lot more fun to watch.

Overall I liked the programming and the performances from all of the athletes were phenomenal. Rich and Annie are deserved winners.

Mark E. Wallace 08-01-2011 03:11 PM

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The problem that I had with the softball throw was only this; every single event, no matter where it is positioned in the weekend, has the potential for being the tiebreaker amongst the leaders. I struggle to accept the idea that the difference between first and second place ($250K vs. $50K) could be 1" on a softball throw. I don't struggle with this same idea if it's one pound on a lift or 1" on a sled pull, but a 1" difference on a softball throw doesn't convince me that the furthest throw was from the fitter of the two athletes and thus deserving of an extra $200K.

I admit that the softball throw was kinda entertaining, but I don't think it was a wise choice from a competition standpoint.

- Mark

Ryan Jones 08-01-2011 03:13 PM

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I can't believe noone mentioned those retarded watt bikes. That was by far the worst part of the games, it was like everything stopped and a lazy spin class started. If you're going to put people on bikes, put them on real bikes and make them bike through a course. People were joking that next year they'd be on Reebok Ellipticals.

I thought it was cheap the way they wiped out the scores for the team competition going into the last event, and then it was kinda boring to watch considering only one girl out of the 18 there could do dips, which was in the first workout, which means CFNE was the clear winner 3 minutes in (though they killed most of the rest of the workouts too).

Yeah, Miranda seemed at a loss when interviewing people.

I liked the big announcer dude, he was way better than Dave Castro, even if he wasn't perfect.

I liked how the team event finals was 6 classic girl wods. Similarly I liked how the men's final was like a filthy fifty remix. I don't know why people are giving it grief. Though nothing will ever compare to the finals Khalipa won where they had every event timed and staggered the final start based on that and whoever finished first was the overall winner. That was the most entertaining format by far and I hope they do that again some time.

Spealler pushing the sled was awesome.

Barber destroying the sled push was awesome, and allt he more surprising since he was dead last, by a mile, in the 6 minute version.

Spealler getting screwed by his size once again saddens me. I'd like to see him put on 10-20 lbs of muscle this year and finally win this thing next year.

It was an amazing surprise to see Annie S. not only competing but kicking ***. It was also pretty cool to see that the two most ripped girls were the two 35 y.o. mothers of 2 and 3 (the other being the awesome Angie Pye).

Overall the games were awesome, had a great time, even got to meet Coach when he crashed our box and at his prompting complained about the food choices, heh.

Matt Haxmeier 08-01-2011 03:19 PM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark E. Wallace (Post 968983)
I admit that the softball throw was kinda entertaining, but I don't think it was a wise choice from a competition standpoint.

- Mark

Well, as it was, it showed that Speal (72') and Khalipa (101') and Chan (129') were significantly less up to the challenge than Froning (229') much less Hendel (258'). That's hardly a foot or two. And Josh Bridges probably got most hosed on the deal since he DNF'd it when it probably could have thrown underhand to beat some guys. At least the rest of the final guys had a decent throw.

If they wanted to minimize the importance of a foot or two they could have done the scoring by ranges, say score according to 100ft-150ft, 150ft-200ft, 200-250ft, etc.

But if every second counts, and every pound counts, I don't see why every inch shouldn't count.

Mark E. Wallace 08-01-2011 04:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Haxmeier (Post 968992)
But if every second counts, and every pound counts, I don't see why every inch shouldn't count.

Within the bounds of how they defined it, every inch should count. In fact, that (whether an inch should count) really isn't the issue for me.

It might just be a personal thing for me somehow, but I just have a hard time accepting that an inch on a softball throw could/should really be a tiebreaker to determine who is fitter and who gets $200K more.

Stated differently...let's just say that hypothetically they make it through a full Games weekend next year with the top three male athletes all having the same score. On the spot, Castro & Company have to decide how to break the tie. I can't help but wonder what kind of reception they would get to the idea of throwing a softball twice for distance. Personally, I can imagine one huge Whiskey Tango Foxtrot moment among all the athletes and all of the fans. I think it would cause a huge controversy.

- Mark

Jason Rahm 08-01-2011 04:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark E. Wallace (Post 968983)
The problem that I had with the softball throw was only this; every single event, no matter where it is positioned in the weekend, has the potential for being the tiebreaker amongst the leaders...

I admit that the softball throw was kinda entertaining, but I don't think it was a wise choice from a competition standpoint.

- Mark

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Haxmeier (Post 968992)
Well, as it was, it showed that Speal (72') and Khalipa (101')...

Anyone competing for the title of World's Fittest should be able to out-throw a Special Olympian. Speal & Khalipa...well...can't. If the softball throw would have kept them from the podium so be it.

Steven Low 08-01-2011 04:18 PM

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1. Throwing was good. (personally, Javalin would've been better, and the lines should've been as they do discus and shotput going out wider as you get farther).

2. Cycling good; stationary bikes bad. I feel the same amount rowing. Make them row in a pool.

3a. Pool would've probably been better than an open water swim. Sang bag workout in a pool anyone?
3b. Needs more sand bags in general. Liked the sleds.

Carry your canoe to the pool, row yourself across the pool X times, then swim across the pool X times, or something like that. There's so much stuff you can do that is ACTUALLY functional.

4. L-sits with bent legs = horrible; change handstand walk was OK... thought it could be improved by some sort of wheel barrow type thing though.

5. Like the last workout format. Did not like the exercises though & did not like it as the last event -- as stated not very spectator friendly.

6. Personally, I think at least one event should be "open ended" in the context of you have to do this amount of stuff.... but you can do it in any order that you want. Make the athletes think under pressure.

Eric Montgomery 08-01-2011 04:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark E. Wallace (Post 969021)
Within the bounds of how they defined it, every inch should count. In fact, that (whether an inch should count) really isn't the issue for me.

It might just be a personal thing for me somehow, but I just have a hard time accepting that an inch on a softball throw could/should really be a tiebreaker to determine who is fitter and who gets $200K more.

Stated differently...let's just say that hypothetically they make it through a full Games weekend next year with the top three male athletes all having the same score. On the spot, Castro & Company have to decide how to break the tie. I can't help but wonder what kind of reception they would get to the idea of throwing a softball twice for distance. Personally, I can imagine one huge Whiskey Tango Foxtrot moment among all the athletes and all of the fans. I think it would cause a huge controversy.

- Mark

As someone asked earlier, how is 1 inch really any different than 1 second on a for-time event, or 1lb on a lift, or 1 rep on an AMRAP workout? And with most high-placing guys throwing well over 200ft, what are the odds of it coming down to 1 inch between two different competitors? One in a thousand maybe?

Plus then you'd still have to have two competitors who finished +/- 1 point of each other in the overall 10-event total for that 1 inch to make a difference in the overall standings. What are the odds that through 9 events the #1 guy would have 872 points while the #2 guy has 871 points? Again, roughly one in a thousand?

So basically we're getting worked up about the possibilities of two one-in-a-thousand type events happening simultaneously in the same games. And even then, that 1" is just as valid as winning by 1lb or 1" in any other sport that determines winners or losers by distance. I'm not comparing a softball throw to the Olympics here, but you better believe 1" is a valid way to determine medal placings in a shot put or javelin or discus or hammer throw.

I'm pretty sure tiebreaker criteria were in place for the Games seeing how they had to be used in several of the Regionals. IIRC, it was something like whoever had the best low finish would be the winner....i.e. if one guy's worst event was 35th place, he'd win the tiebreaker over a guy whose worst event was 38th place.

Mark E. Wallace 08-01-2011 07:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Rahm (Post 969023)
Anyone competing for the title of World's Fittest should be able to out-throw a Special Olympian. Speal & Khalipa...well...can't. If the softball throw would have kept them from the podium so be it.

Totally agree with that. Maybe what it is for me is that I just think a softball is a dumb way to test it. That said, I'm not sure what I'd nominate as a replacement. Maybe a shot put or a javelin. Perhaps even the log toss that the Rogue and Again Faster athletes did in Tahoe, though I recognize that those are different sorts of throw than a baseball/softball throw.

- Mark

Mark E. Wallace 08-01-2011 07:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Montgomery (Post 969027)
As someone asked earlier, how is 1 inch really any different than 1 second on a for-time event, or 1lb on a lift, or 1 rep on an AMRAP workout? And with most high-placing guys throwing well over 200ft, what are the odds of it coming down to 1 inch between two different competitors? One in a thousand maybe?

I agree with all of that, plus the stuff that I clipped out. Still, it bugs me. I guess I just have to get past it. And, you're right, the odds of it ever really being an issue are really low.

Mark

Matt Thomas 08-01-2011 07:33 PM

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Why didn't they use a shot put or javelin? I have my suspicions, but why do you think?

Katherine Derbyshire 08-01-2011 09:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Thomas (Post 969116)
Why didn't they use a shot put or javelin? I have my suspicions, but why do you think?

Because those are established Track&Field events, which would allow comparisons with specialists in those events.

Katherine

Dave Traeger 08-02-2011 03:27 AM

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Just my 2c.

1) For me the heat structure got boring to watch. You watch 6 people race in a workout (with no real commentary or a good display on screen to give an indication as to live progress/reps), they finish up then you watch another 6 do exactly the same thing. In most cases I turned it off unless there was a specific athlete in the heat I wanted to watch. Perhaps they need to either structure it so that more people can compete simultaneously, or add another layer to the qualification process to eliminate some of the field.

2) Is it time to add weight divisions to crossfit? I cant help but wonder how much more fierce the competition would be if there was say an under 85kg group and an over 85kg group. Or some other number that splits the field evenly and give both groups the same events.

Boris Lau 08-02-2011 04:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Katherine Derbyshire (Post 969149)
Because those are established Track&Field events, which would allow comparisons with specialists in those events.

Katherine

The same could be said about other Crossfit movements. Rowing, C&J, Snatches, Powerlifting movements, etc.

I think HQ excluded shotputs/javelins because those who might not know how to throw it pose a danger to themselves and everyone else on the field (stray javelin, anyone?)

Justin Z. Smith 08-02-2011 05:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boris Lau (Post 969225)
The same could be said about other Crossfit movements. Rowing, C&J, Snatches, Powerlifting movements, etc.

I think HQ excluded shotputs/javelins because those who might not know how to throw it pose a danger to themselves and everyone else on the field (stray javelin, anyone?)

Good points,

Justin

Ryan Earle 08-02-2011 06:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boris Lau (Post 969225)
The same could be said about other Crossfit movements. Rowing, C&J, Snatches, Powerlifting movements, etc.

I think HQ excluded shotputs/javelins because those who might not know how to throw it pose a danger to themselves and everyone else on the field (stray javelin, anyone?)

That is what I am thinking. Having people just up and throw a javelin would be tough.

Shotputs and Javelin takes real skill and a lot of practice. Clearly throwing a softball well takes skill, but I think it was assumed that 90%+ of the field had at least thrown a ball a few times in their lifetime.

Matthew Swartz 08-02-2011 06:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan Jones (Post 968988)
I can't believe noone mentioned those retarded watt bikes. That was by far the worst part of the games, it was like everything stopped and a lazy spin class started. If you're going to put people on bikes, put them on real bikes and make them bike through a course. People were joking that next year they'd be on Reebok Ellipticals.

I thought it was cheap the way they wiped out the scores for the team competition going into the last event, and then it was kinda boring to watch considering only one girl out of the 18 there could do dips, which was in the first workout, which means CFNE was the clear winner 3 minutes in (though they killed most of the rest of the workouts too).

Yeah, Miranda seemed at a loss when interviewing people.

I liked the big announcer dude, he was way better than Dave Castro, even if he wasn't perfect.

I liked how the team event finals was 6 classic girl wods. Similarly I liked how the men's final was like a filthy fifty remix. I don't know why people are giving it grief. Though nothing will ever compare to the finals Khalipa won where they had every event timed and staggered the final start based on that and whoever finished first was the overall winner. That was the most entertaining format by far and I hope they do that again some time.

Spealler pushing the sled was awesome.

Barber destroying the sled push was awesome, and allt he more surprising since he was dead last, by a mile, in the 6 minute version.

Spealler getting screwed by his size once again saddens me. I'd like to see him put on 10-20 lbs of muscle this year and finally win this thing next year.

It was an amazing surprise to see Annie S. not only competing but kicking ***. It was also pretty cool to see that the two most ripped girls were the two 35 y.o. mothers of 2 and 3 (the other being the awesome Angie Pye).

Overall the games were awesome, had a great time, even got to meet Coach when he crashed our box and at his prompting complained about the food choices, heh.

THANK YOU!

These events might have been a good test of fitness, but they paled in comparison to the previous years competitions. Two minutes to hit a ME lift versus a long *** ladder where guys are having to scream to get themselves ready for the next lift?

The first event was a cool opener, rope/c&j was cool, the monkey bars were fun to watch, and the last event was a decent chipper, but if you want to test guys' skills, test them in a workout that is fun to watch. Those were very boring to watch.

Jakob Schmidt 08-02-2011 06:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew Swartz (Post 969257)
THANK YOU!

These events might have been a good test of fitness, but they paled in comparison to the previous years competitions. Two minutes to hit a ME lift versus a long *** ladder where guys are having to scream to get themselves ready for the next lift?

The first event was a cool opener, rope/c&j was cool, the monkey bars were fun to watch, and the last event was a decent chipper, but if you want to test guys' skills, test them in a workout that is fun to watch. Those were very boring to watch.

The only cool skills event was the handstand walk. I wouldn't really consider farmer's walks a skill either... cool event but, not a skill.

The stationary bike was the thing I hated the most about this Games. Biking does not prove anything that swimming and running cannot. Also, since when has CFHQ condoned the use of machines like bikes. Rowing is a little different and makes sense. Bikes.... what the H.

The Games were great this year, I think it will be the spark that gets the Games actually recognized as legitimate (maybe not for finding the Fittest Man in the World) but it was interesting enough to where people would watch them again.

Other than the biking and the lack of a really cool strength event, I really enjoyed the Games. Oh, and the MC.... ridiculous. Let's switch that guy out next year...

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Matthew Swartz 08-02-2011 06:40 AM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacob Schmitt (Post 969263)
The only cool skills event was the handstand walk. I wouldn't really consider farmer's walks a skill either... cool event but, not a skill.

The stationary bike was the thing I hated the most about this Games. Biking does not prove anything that swimming and running cannot. Also, since when has CFHQ condoned the use of machines like bikes. Rowing is a little different and makes sense. Bikes.... what the H.

The Games were great this year, I think it will be the spark that gets the Games actually recognized as legitimate (maybe not for finding the Fittest Man in the World) but it was interesting enough to where people would watch them again.

Other than the biking and the lack of a really cool strength event, I really enjoyed the Games. Oh, and the MC.... ridiculous. Let's switch that guy out next year...

"SHOW YOUR LOVE FOR CROSSFIT!!!"

Stationary bikes, swinging on monkey bars ... elite.

Jakob Schmidt 08-02-2011 06:43 AM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacob Schmitt (Post 969263)
The only cool skills event was the handstand walk. I wouldn't really consider farmer's walks a skill either... cool event but, not a skill.

The stationary bike was the thing I hated the most about this Games. Biking does not prove anything that swimming and running cannot. Also, since when has CFHQ condoned the use of machines like bikes. Rowing is a little different and makes sense. Bikes.... what the H.

The Games were great this year, I think it will be the spark that gets the Games actually recognized as legitimate (maybe not for finding the Fittest Man in the World) but it was interesting enough to where people would watch them again.

Other than the biking and the lack of a really cool strength event, I really enjoyed the Games. Oh, and the MC.... ridiculous. Let's switch that guy out next year...

"SHOW YOUR LOVE FOR CROSSFIT!!!"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew Swartz (Post 969266)
Stationary bikes, swinging on monkey bars ... elite.

Hence why I wrote the parenthetical statement. But, this year definitely signals that CrossFit is a growing "sport" in the US.

I guess the word legitimate wasn't the perfect word in this case.

Ian Nigh 08-02-2011 06:50 AM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
From "World class fitness in 100 words" By Coach G:

"Bike, run, swim, row, etc, hard and fast."

Jakob Schmidt 08-02-2011 06:54 AM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Nigh (Post 969272)
From "World class fitness in 100 words" By Coach G:

"Bike, run, swim, row, etc, hard and fast."

Still a boring event.

Dave Traeger 08-02-2011 06:58 AM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacob Schmitt (Post 969274)
Still a boring event.

Would have been better if it was a lap of the stadium on the bike instead.

Matthew Swartz 08-02-2011 06:58 AM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Nigh (Post 969272)
From "World class fitness in 100 words" By Coach G:

"Bike, run, swim, row, etc, hard and fast."

When someone goes biking, I expect some displacement. Especially if we're measuring fitness.

Jakob Schmidt 08-02-2011 06:59 AM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Traeger (Post 969277)
Would have been better if it was a lap of the stadium on the bike instead.

I will definitely agree to that.

Matthew Swartz 08-02-2011 07:10 AM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Traeger (Post 969277)
Would have been better if it was a lap of the stadium on the bike instead.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacob Schmitt (Post 969279)
I will definitely agree to that.

But with motorcycles.

Jakob Schmidt 08-02-2011 07:11 AM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew Swartz (Post 969289)
But with motorcycles.

Except instead of a the track it was in this:

http://0.tqn.com/d/raleighdurham/1/0...ros-Circus.jpg WFS!

Matthew Swartz 08-02-2011 07:13 AM

Re: Final games thoughts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacob Schmitt (Post 969290)
Except instead of a the track it was in this:

http://0.tqn.com/d/raleighdurham/1/0...ros-Circus.jpg WFS!

Mother of god... that would be SO bada**.


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