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Frank Menendez 07-21-2006 10:35 AM

I'm a little confused as of what you guys mean by "animal fats"?

Does it mean I should stop buying the "extra lean" meats and go with just "lean", to get a little fat from the meats (mostly saturated no)?

Neal Winkler 07-21-2006 11:16 AM

Animal fat is the fat in animal products. I don't quite comprehend what your saying though, are you trying to get more fat or less fat?

Greg Battaglia 07-21-2006 11:36 AM

To save my fingers, and make a long story short, animal fats have never been shown to cause any disease. In fact, they contain fat-soluble vitamins, healthy saturated fats (yes I said healthy!) that help absorb nutrients and maintain healthy bones, and tend to be more appetite supressing and are more palatable than plant fats. Short answer: eat fatty cuts of meat.

Frank Menendez 07-21-2006 11:50 AM

My question is whether when buying Ground beef for example, I should get "extra lean", "lean", or the regular kind. I've grown accustomed to buying "extra lean" but after what Greg said and what I read in previous posts, It mightb e more benefical to buy "lean". Is that so?

Greg Battaglia 07-21-2006 12:00 PM

Yes, it would be better to buy "lean" instead of "extra lean". However, it would be even better to buy "regular" than to buy "lean".

Frank Menendez 07-21-2006 12:20 PM

And cut back on the nuts and extra fat accordinly to compensate.

Paul Symes 07-21-2006 12:24 PM

Try to find grass-fed beef - even better.

Neal Winkler 07-21-2006 12:31 PM

Frank, although I agree with Greg that saturated fat is healthy, you would be crazy to listen to us without investigating the matter yourself.

Greg Battaglia 07-21-2006 12:32 PM

Very true.

Frank Menendez 07-21-2006 12:33 PM

I agree, but so far... most of the recommendations on this site have made me an overall healthier and stronger person :-)

Jeremy Jones 07-21-2006 02:45 PM

Apperently you haven't been following my recommendations.

Frank Menendez 07-21-2006 03:21 PM

What do you mean?

Marc Moffett 07-21-2006 06:39 PM

Frank, I would think twice before jumping on this particular bandwagon. Unless you are eating grass fed beef and unless you are consuming the majority of the animal (including organs and marrow) your beef is pretty neolithic. My two cents.

Hone Watson 07-21-2006 11:02 PM

Organ meats are pretty crucial to a proper healthy diet.

Frank M Needham 07-22-2006 05:42 AM

I've been following this thread but keeping my nose out until now to just see what I could pick up but now my curiosity got the better of me and I need clarification on two things.

1) Jeremy, please explain your comment to Frank if it has some bearing related to the topic?

2) Hone, you make an assertion that "Organ meats are pretty crucial to a proper healthy diet." and don't cite any reasons why. If you could it would be most helpful.

David Wood 07-22-2006 11:59 AM

Jumping in with absolutely no knowledge (that's the beauty of the Internet, isn't it?):

a) I'm pretty sure Jeremy was making a joke. I, myself, have been following Jeremy's recommendations for months now, and they have made me the man I am: pasty white, asthmatic, almost spherical . . .

b) The idea of eating organ meats (e.g., heart, liver, kidney, (gulp) brains) comes from observing that wild animals appear to consider these the "choice cuts", as do the few true hunter-gatherer societies remaining. (They are also (usually) far higher in vitamins, enzymes, crucial fats, etc., than the "muscle meat" we normally eat.)

That said, there's no way I would do that today unless I was *very* sure of the totally organic nature of the meat . . . those same organs tend to be where all of the faults of modern agribusiness will manifest themselves: pesticides, hormones, prions, etc.

I grew up eating all that stuff (even beef brains) 40 - 50 years ago, because money was scarce and those cuts were the cheapest stuff available . . . but meat wasn't raised with all the chemical enhancements back then. Wouldn't do it now.

Frank M Needham 07-22-2006 01:06 PM

OK, good to hear you're happy with the results so far David. Let me know when you've reached the advanced level of whatever it is that you've described please.

Over the years it has been my pleasure to have eaten gizzards, liver, heart, scrapple, kidney, chitlins, and so forth, for pleasure. Not that often mind you and I'd never before heard that there was any claim to it being healthy for you.
I'll have to make sure that 1/2 steer being delivered in September is not minus all the goodies, nor the 40 chickens that are coming with it. This product I'm buying btw is from a local rancher with whom I've become friendly here in So. Nevada. Here's the website if anyone's interested: [url=http://highdesertnatural.com/home.htm]http://highdesertnatural.com/home.htm[/url]
This year the beef they have is to grain finished but next year's will be fully grass fed. I know that the rancher and his wife, Matt & Julie Wadsworth, are very motivated so give them a holler if you like.

Excuse me for hijacking please...

(Message edited by fmn on July 22, 2006)

Charlie Jackson 07-22-2006 03:40 PM

[i]The idea of eating organ meats (e.g., heart, liver, kidney, (gulp) brains) comes from observing that wild animals appear to consider these the "choice cuts", as do the few true hunter-gatherer societies remaining.[/i]

That's passing for a scientific argument around here now? Dogs sniff each other's butts. Should we do that too?

Paul Symes 07-23-2006 03:39 AM

Charlie, you could try it for a month and let us know how you get on.

Elliot Royce 07-23-2006 05:23 AM

actually, it's not just the remaining hunter/gatherer societies that eat organ meats. French and Belgium diets include them quite extensively, and I don't mean only "foie gras" which of course is goose liver. They also eat brains, heart, kidneys, pancreas, etc. not to mention pigs feet, pigs face, and horse. The British love kidneys. We eat liver. So it's not that odd.

I believe some Asian societies also have various organs that they eat.

I travelled pretty extensively, and I think Americans are probably the most squeamish nation when it comes to body parts, for whatever reason. Not that I'm into brains or hearts or whatever.


Frank M Needham 07-23-2006 05:56 AM

"Dogs sniff each other's butts. Should we do that too?"

Actually we humans do quite a good job at that, better than dogs even. The expression/epithet "brown noser" didn't come into existence by accident.

Depending on where you live, even in the States, there is a good percentage of folks who still eat organ meats. There is/are places that are almost even famous for ways they use organ meats. Louisiana has blood sausage, W Virginia has scrapple, etc. I worked with guys from W Va that butchered hogs and used each and every part for something. Even the hair was used to caulk boats. They have a saying that "parts is parts".


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