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Caleb Thomas 11-04-2008 01:03 PM

Re: T-Nation, Shugart and the Truth About CrossFit
 
I thought it was a good article too. I was happy to see him acknowledge kipping.

Christopher J Barnes 11-04-2008 03:28 PM

Re: T-Nation, Shugart and the Truth About CrossFit
 
The thing I appreciated most from the article was the end: "Allegiances and preferences aside, I'm just glad to see people getting into a gym, whether it's Gold's, Curves, or a CrossFit gym in some city's warehouse district." (Emphasis mine)

Chris Shugart 11-04-2008 04:27 PM

Re: T-Nation, Shugart and the Truth About CrossFit
 
I'm glad you guys found the article fair and balanced. Props to Troy at CrossFit Plano and Sam at CrossFit Dallas Central.

Robert Callahan 11-04-2008 04:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Shugart (Post 438473)
I'm glad you guys found the article fair and balanced. Props to Troy at CrossFit Plano and Sam at CrossFit Dallas Central.

Well hey! Welcome to the CF boards Chris :)

David Schneider 11-04-2008 04:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Shugart (Post 438473)
I'm glad you guys found the article fair and balanced. Props to Troy at CrossFit Plano and Sam at CrossFit Dallas Central.

:welcome:

I've read some good stuff from you in the past.

Glad you decided to stop by.

Darrell E. White 11-04-2008 05:39 PM

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Hey Chris!

I agree that your article was in general well-balanced and fair. Crossfit is what it is--the most complete GPP program yet developed. It can form the foundation upon which you base your SPP, or it can be adapted to provide a bias in multiple dimensions (see www.crossfitendurance.com). It is not, regardless of what anyone might say, a program that is designed to compete against any program for specialists. You get it.

My only criticism is in your treatment of Greg Glassman. While Greg is admittedly a lightening rod, isn't that in part the required role for the founder/leader/mouthpiece for any new movement of any kind? Your observations are in general accurate, but you took the easy route in seeking comment from individuals who are openly hostile. The insight you showed from your own investigation leads me to believe that your article would have had greater credibility if you had done more "own eyes" research.

One wonders, will you continue to explore Crossfit as part of your personal program?

-bingo

Joe Cavazos 11-04-2008 06:18 PM

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At the CrossFit boards: "Great article! This is a favorable representation of CrossFit!"

At the T-Nation boards: "Great article! This CrossFit stuff is a load of crap!"

Joseph Abraham 11-04-2008 07:11 PM

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I feel like what this article is missing is the spread of information that is occuring because of crossfit.

Average people are now doing deadlifts, squats, pullups, olympic lifts whereas before these same people were just doing just the elliptical.

People are benefiting from the spread of GOOD information and workout that actually carry over to the real world.

Powerlifting, olympic lifting, marathon running just isn't accessible to most people.

Without crossfit this information would only be accessible if your in the NFL, going to the olympics, or some elite athlete. Now I can do these workouts with an affiliate.

I guess I just drink the Kool aid for now but I don't think traditional sports like gymastics, powerlifting, running, promote overall fitness and its just not accessible to working joe's like myself.

Christian Gotcher 11-04-2008 08:01 PM

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This is perhaps one of the most professional and thought-out articles on Crossfit I've read in a while. I don't have many talking points (as of yet).

I personally don't find anything wrong with Uncle Rhabdo, as it reminds people of the presence of the possibility without stigmatizing them. It promotes high intensity and safety without inspiring fear. Glassman's piece on Crossfit Radio 3.5, in his counter to Mike Boyle's comment on the exact same image, answers this challenge splendidly (anyone looking to analyze Crossfit should watch that podcast- it has a lot of good and a touch of ugly to play with).

Yes, Glassman is frank. I don't think I'd like the guy all too much if I met him in a bar. As Rip said it "I don't like the guy- he doesn't drink my brand of scotch." His no-holds-barred approach has permeated down, but here's my question- does his personality matter? I don't think it does once you get to the affiliate level. Some clients I've met have no idea of the 'big-picture' community of Crossfit and don't know the Glassmans at all. They know their coaches are giving them high quality training in new and functional movement- that's all they care about.

I appreciate the analysis of the kipping pullup. I haven't given up no the deadhang either (mostly because my job won't allow me to entirely). One thing I've found is that my technique has a great deal to do with how favorably people see the kip. If I'm fluid, fast, and powerful, people ask me what it is I'm doing. If I'm tired and floppy, people give me the evil eye like I'm 'cheating.'

Emily Maisannes 11-04-2008 08:05 PM

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As a newbie, I think it is a fair article. It is the kind of article that would have encouraged me to check it out before I really knew anything about it.

I don't know enough about Glassman to comment on the claims made.

The only thing I take issue with is the brief portrayal of Mimms. Wasn't he in his first workout? Would you consider someone who played one game of basketball a basketball player? The article leads the reader to believe that in using the term "Crossfitter" associated with Mimms that he had been a regular visitor when he got rhabdo.

Maybe I'm just mincing words, but often connotation is every bit as powerful as denotation. Ok, so shoot me. I used to be a technical writer.


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