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Tricia Magrini 06-14-2011 06:39 AM

Handstand Push Ups-Kipping yay or nay?
 
I just watched 17 mins of video with Tucker and am pretty sure I get his perspective. What are your thoughts about the legitimacy of kipping HSPU when doing a WOD for time. Do you think HQ needs to establish a standard for general use?

Eric Montgomery 06-14-2011 09:19 AM

Re: Handstand Push Ups-Kipping yay or nay?
 
I don't like them, but I guess if the standards of the competition allow them then it makes sense to do them. I wouldn't do them in training though, that would be like adding in a few push presses so I hit all 5 reps on a 3x5 press day...it's not going to help much in terms of getting you the strength you need.

Speaking of...how's your strength progression going?

Tricia Magrini 06-14-2011 11:53 AM

Re: Handstand Push Ups-Kipping yay or nay?
 
Quote:

Speaking of...how's your strength progression going?
It's been shotty so far. Trying to get in the groove with the kids home. I had hoped to start yesterday, but after doing 100 BW back squats Friday and the Warrior Dash Sat I was only able to do some presses yesterday. :o Hope to get rolling soon though, thank you! I am sure I'll be picking your brain!

I went with the kip for Diane this morning and finished respectably I think.

Mauricio Leal 06-14-2011 12:10 PM

Re: Handstand Push Ups-Kipping yay or nay?
 
Kipping or no kipping, the problem with the HSPUs is that the standard for ROM is crap. With wide hand placement some competitors move 3-4" tops. Head to floor on 8-10" parallettes or with a similar stack of plates on each side would do the movement better justice.

Tricia Magrini 06-14-2011 12:27 PM

Re: Handstand Push Ups-Kipping yay or nay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mauricio Leal (Post 948290)
Kipping or no kipping, the problem with the HSPUs is that the standard for ROM is crap. With wide hand placement some competitors move 3-4" tops. Head to floor on 8-10" parallettes or with a similar stack of plates on each side would do the movement better justice.

We use 25+ plates with an abmat between them. Head has to touch the abmat so it must break parallel plane. I guess the standard varies from box to box though.

Matthew Swartz 06-14-2011 12:34 PM

Re: Handstand Push Ups-Kipping yay or nay?
 
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Originally Posted by Tricia Magrini (Post 948300)
We use 25+ plates with an abmat between them. Head has to touch the abmat so it must break parallel plane. I guess the standard varies from box to box though.

This still allows for fairly wide hand placement. A few of the regional update videos show a few competitors rocking out HSPU's with a tiny ROM with this same setup that you're talking about.

Kipping the HSPU's doesn't really change the range of the movement, so I don't see a problem with it, but when I see people dropping from lock out onto the top of their head just to put their knees to their chest and flop back up, I cringe.

I'm of the opinion that the only real HSPU is a strict HSPU, but that's the same argument tons of non CF'ers make against kipping pull ups, which I condone.. so I guess I'm just a walking contradiction.

Mauricio Leal 06-14-2011 12:35 PM

Re: Handstand Push Ups-Kipping yay or nay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tricia Magrini (Post 948300)
We use 25+ plates with an abmat between them. Head has to touch the abmat so it must break parallel plane. I guess the standard varies from box to box though.

Yeah what I'm saying is that standard is poor also. You've essentially raised the floor in order to provide a cushy landing pad for the head without making it even shorter ROM (i.e. if you had the mat without the plates). 2-3 45# plates on each side with an abmat in the middle would be acceptable. Yes I know most people can barely do regular short ROM HSPUs. Scaling will always be there, but the goal should eventually be the same as Ring MU-HSPU or full ROM barbell press: hand to shoulder.

Anyhow, about the kipping, let 'em kip if it's a WOD.

Tricia Magrini 06-14-2011 12:38 PM

Re: Handstand Push Ups-Kipping yay or nay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mauricio Leal (Post 948305)
Yeah what I'm saying is that standard is poor also. You've essentially raised the floor in order to provide a cushy landing pad for the head without making it even shorter ROM (i.e. if you had the mat without the plates). 2-3 45# plates on each side with an abmat in the middle would be acceptable. Yes I know most people can barely do regular short ROM HSPUs. Scaling will always be there, but the goal should eventually be the same as Ring MU-HSPU or full ROM barbell press: hand to shoulder.

Anyhow, about the kipping, let 'em kip if it's a WOD.

Noted! I hope to be able to do them, errr 1 on paralletes someday.....

Marc-Andre Ranger 02-02-2012 09:36 AM

Re: Handstand Push Ups-Kipping yay or nay?
 
Honestly, the only reason why I don't like Kipping in the HSPUs is the fact that I can't kip hehe. I don't think it should be considered cheating, it's just a skill to developp, like the kipping pull-ups.

-On rings, you can't cheat if you start from bottom MUs position.

-On Parallettes, if you start sitting you'r all good too. If you try putting the parallettes wider it becomes wayyy harder.

- On Wall, i'd put 45 bumper plates on each side of abmat, once again, I feel like putting hands wider won't help you too much. The muscles involved are less developped than the usual shoulders and biceps. (What do you think?)

- Free, just touch your nose down...

I did this little vid showing my attempts at the different HSPUs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uMot...6ihVzGgPpYesTR

Crossfit rocks ;)

Blair Robert Lowe 02-02-2012 05:56 PM

Re: Handstand Push Ups-Kipping yay or nay?
 
I would much prefer to fail in a floor HSPU on the top of my head than my nose.

Strength work -> strict

WOD aka bejesus amount of reps -> kipped.


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