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George Noble 11-13-2008 05:11 AM

Re: T-Nation, Shugart and the Truth About CrossFit
 
If this is the same Poliquin piece I read, it's so stupid it kinda rebuts itself.

Douglas Chapman 11-13-2008 06:54 AM

Re: T-Nation, Shugart and the Truth About CrossFit
 
My perspective is a little different: The more people who talk about CrossFit, the more curious, intelligent and open minded people will check it out. The more people who check it out, the more people I train, the better my kid's education fund gets. The more people who check it out the more people who will sign on and it grows.

Can someone link to the Poliquin article, I would like to read it.

Derek Maffett 11-13-2008 02:14 PM

Re: T-Nation, Shugart and the Truth About CrossFit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by George Noble (Post 445620)
If this is the same Poliquin piece I read, it's so stupid it kinda rebuts itself.

That's what I thought at first, but he has a more specific article.

http://www.nickmitchellblog.com/2008...sfit-training/ (mostly wfs, one cuss word).

I don't quite disagree with his points, but I'm not satisfied with his conclusions.

Kevin Perry 11-13-2008 02:30 PM

Re: T-Nation, Shugart and the Truth About CrossFit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek Maffett (Post 445943)
That's what I thought at first, but he has a more specific article.

http://www.nickmitchellblog.com/2008...sfit-training/ (mostly wfs, one cuss word).

I don't quite disagree with his points, but I'm not satisfied with his conclusions.

He made some good points but he brought it out in an ignorant manner which is usually how people will always view Crossfit without actual exposure to it. People always like to knock on things they have never tried before.

Robert D Taylor Jr 11-13-2008 03:35 PM

Re: T-Nation, Shugart and the Truth About CrossFit
 
What are "inappropriate exercises? Says who? What is improper exercise order? Says who? Just because Mr. Poloquin disagrees with CrossFit doesn't make CF wrong. And professional/elite athletes shouldn't use CF vice sport specific training? Wow, that's a shocking grasp of the obvious. Next time I decide I want to be an Olympic shot putter or NFL star I'll keep that in mind. This is rehashed Boyle stuff which is irrelevant and overtaken by events, Next.

Jamie J. Skibicki 11-13-2008 06:53 PM

Re: T-Nation, Shugart and the Truth About CrossFit
 
Agreed, I love these article that say crossfit won't help you become a workd class weightlifter, powerlifter, etc. I don't think anyone has has ever said it would. Also, all this talk about muscle imbalances. Shouldn't using full body excersizes through a full range of motion eliminate or prevent muscle imbalances.

Bob Long 11-14-2008 05:18 AM

Re: T-Nation, Shugart and the Truth About CrossFit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamie J. Skibicki (Post 446160)
Agreed, I love these article that say crossfit won't help you become a workd class weightlifter, powerlifter, etc. I don't think anyone has has ever said it would.


Well, maybe someone sorta has done just that:

"Today, we are a leading force in elite physical conditioning with a growing influence in military, police, and martial arts communities and a growing roster of national, world, and Olympic champions from more than a dozen sports."


Source:
http://www.powerathletesmag.com/arch...ewglassman.htm

Jamie J. Skibicki 11-14-2008 06:29 AM

Re: T-Nation, Shugart and the Truth About CrossFit
 
and from the same source
"If you come to us with a 4-minute mile, six months into it you are going to be 30 seconds slower but a whole hell of a lot fitter. Similarly, if you come to us with a 900-pound squat, in six months it's going to be 750 pounds, but you, too, will be much fitter. A 4-minute mile and a 900-pound squat are both clear and compelling evidence of a lack of balance in your program. This doesn't reflect the limitations of our program but the inherent nature of flesh and blood. "

If your sport is based on only one energy path way (straight endurance or strength, what have been called fringe sports by CF), Crossfit will be less effective as a training protocol. But if you play a sport or are engaged in an activity that requires many energy pathways (field sports, combative sports, law enforcment) then Crossfit becomes much more useful.

Robert Wolf 11-14-2008 11:58 AM

Re: T-Nation, Shugart and the Truth About CrossFit
 
I finally finished my review of the Poliquin Biosignature seminar and my thoughts on his Case Against Crossfit. You can find that here:
http://*************/?p=285
I think it's WFS.

Phillip Garrison 11-14-2008 12:38 PM

Re: T-Nation, Shugart and the Truth About CrossFit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek Maffett (Post 445265)
Based on what I'm seeing in that SPARQ test, I would be inclined to disagree with the idea that it's a good test of fitness. It seems mostly geared towards sprinting and related heavily to sports like football or basketball. It's not the worst test in the world, but hardly an extensive one such as could be used to test all-around fitness. For instance, picking up a heavy object (which will always be an important time and modal domain) is completely ignored in the SPARQ.

Well what tests would you suggest? The sparq tests lower body power, upper body power, speed, agility and anaerobic endurance. Those are several of the metrics for which we feel CF improves.


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