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Brad Davis 02-05-2008 02:47 PM

Re: A gallon of milk?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Greene (Post 252998)
That is not exactly what was said.

To quote Rip - ...
Getting a "little chubby" and gaining 15lbs of fat with only 1lb of muscle are two very different things in my book.

The way I see it is if you are in your 30's or beyond and want to try the SS program you do have an option. Give the routine a try and keep a sharp eye on your body composition. If your bodyfat % starts to climb higher and faster than you can live with, back off on the milk until you are happy. You will progress slower but that is a compromise to be balanced by you.

You are correct--> My bad. I was just going by memory rather than going over there and digging up the thread.

However, I really believe that I would put on mostly fat if I tried that plan. That bias clouded my memory of the thread, I suppose.

Chris Stowe 02-05-2008 02:49 PM

Re: A gallon of milk?
 
This is probably a little in the old news dept, but I talked to Brendan the other day on the phone, and he did gain that weight, in a little over a month, from a gallon of whole milk per day. His DL went from 405 to 465 in a month. His weight went from around 175 to around 200 or so from the milk. Dont know if I could get a gallon of milk a day down, but I know for a fact it worked for him. Thought I would throw that little bit of info out there.

Chris Jordan 02-05-2008 02:55 PM

Re: A gallon of milk?
 
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Originally Posted by Kevin Roddy (Post 215171)
Raw milk is illegal here in MI, unfortunately. I'd love to try it though. Someday, when I move out of this crap state, haha.

I don't think raw milk is illegal, just selling it. Goats need less food/space than dogs...though wal-mart doesn't sell hay. If you have a yard you might give it a try. In some states, farmers get around the law by selling customers shares in a cow/goat. Then they have access to their own animal's product. You might see if something like that is available.

...late to the party as always. Sorry.

Jacob Vohs 02-05-2008 03:34 PM

Re: A gallon of milk?
 
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Originally Posted by Derek Heinonen (Post 252735)
On top of your regular diet.

A gallon of milk has 2400 calories alone.

So, yes. Eat your regular diet. Supplement with a gallon of the good stuff.

How old are you?

I'm 17, 18 in a few months.

Jacob Vohs 02-05-2008 06:01 PM

Re: A gallon of milk?
 
Does drinking a gallon of whole milk a day reap any negative effects on the body?

Nick Cummings 02-05-2008 06:50 PM

Re: A gallon of milk?
 
It is likely not optimal for health but then again thousands of people daily make the worst food choices possible and live to 75. I expect the human body can handle a gallon of milk a day for a while, perhaps 6-24 months I don't really know, before any "real damage" is done.

Jonathan Greene 02-05-2008 08:57 PM

Re: A gallon of milk?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Cummings (Post 253182)
It is likely not optimal for health but then again thousands of people daily make the worst food choices possible and live to 75. I expect the human body can handle a gallon of milk a day for a while, perhaps 6-24 months I don't really know, before any "real damage" is done.

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Originally Posted by Jacob Vohs (Post 253158)
Does drinking a gallon of whole milk a day reap any negative effects on the body?

If you desire to gain lean mass at a rapid rate, are willing to follow the rest of the program, and don't have an issue digesting milk - you should be fine.

If there are any studies that show any short term or long term issues with a healthy, lactose tolerant person consuming a gallon of milk in addition to a healthy diet I am not aware of them and would love to see them if they exist.

Nick, are you aware of any such studies or do you personally know anyone who has caused damage to themselves consuming milk in this manner?

I really don't mean to single anyone out but the milk debate seems cause a lot of assuming along the lines of, "It is a gallon of milk per day. That is extreme. Of course it will hurt you / cause you to become obese / ruin your life".

I can understand the trepidation but the SS style routine, milk consumption included, is a tried and true method that is extremely effective for young, skinny athletes looking to gain strength and size.

John Edmondson 02-05-2008 09:20 PM

Re: A gallon of milk?
 
It worked for me. I'm 33 and went from 172 to 193 in a little under a month with about a 3% increase in bodyfat. No Starting Strength either, just the regular WODs. Unfortunately, I just didn't feel as quick at that weight and my benchmark times suffered, so I've dropped down to about 185 and feel much better. Now I just eat my regular maintainence diet of 17 blocks, and the BF% is back down to where it was when I started. For what it's worth...

Zach Forrest 02-05-2008 11:23 PM

Re: A gallon of milk?
 
Lots of confusion, lots of opinions, lots of facts, lots of testimonies, and lots of...more confusion. :confused:

Well, I haven't been drinking a gallon a day. I don't do a straight SS program. I am not an expert.

Drinking a gallon of whole milk a day on top of your regular diet makes perfect sense to me if you are using a strength building program, though. Why? Because milk is the a perfect balance of macro nutrients for muscle building. Think about it:

-The protein you get from milk is WHEY(fast digesting, easily utilized) and CASEIN (slow digesting, is absorbed throughout the day)
-The fat serves its purpose as a micro-nutrient delivery system (one of the main functions of lipids is to deliver vitamins/minerals to body systems) and fat also regulates GROWING hormones (i.e. testosterone, IGF-1). Males generally need 30% of their caloric intake to be from fat to have optimal hormone levels, right?
-The carbs from milk are mostly disachirides(sp?). Which are "complex, simple sugars"...if that makes sense. It's a simple carb that is more complex than straight glucose. Perfect for pre/post workout deliver of protein.

Only thing missing, really, are the micro-nutrients...training...and recovery.

Another point of discussion seems to be weight gain...well, I'm here to tell you all it is not possible to gain more than 2-4lbs. of MUSCLE in a month. The human body just can't produce it. What IS possible is to gain approx. 2-6lbs. of lean body mass (LBM). What's the difference? Well...

"Muscle" weight is the weight of...yeah, the muscle. But a muscle holds water. It also holds glycogen. So LBM = muscle + water + glycogen. (Plus whatever small gains in bone/join density you gained)

Like I said, I'm no expert. This is just info I've read/learned through class and certs and what not. Don't know what (if any) negative side effects are incurred from 1 gal. a day though...I'm so interested as I might try it. Dunno...on the fence about it. :shrug:

P.S. Brandon G. might have gained 28lbs in...what was it, a month or two? Possible, but like I said...I'm almost *positive* only 4lbs. of that was PURE muscle/month.

Nick Cummings 02-06-2008 08:21 AM

Re: A gallon of milk?
 
Johnathan, no I do not know of any studies. It is my opinion that drinking a gallon of milk a day is a great strategy for someone who wants to gain weight. The following is speculation on my part. That being said I doubt it is the best option for longterm health when compared with something like Paleo/Zone. So perhaps eating Meats nuts vegetables etc is 80% of the way to a "perfect" diet. Supposing that Paleo/Zone is 95% of the "perfect: diet. I would, based on absolutely nothing but my own opinions put drinking a gallon of milk in addition to Paleo/Zone at say 72%. As I was kind enough to respond directly to your question would you consider ranking them for me and let me know if your hypothetical ranking comes out much different?


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