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Benji Whitehead 05-31-2015 05:21 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
Sure it happens to athletes in other sports but not at the rate that it happens to CrossFitters doing box jumps. Think about how many people play basketball and the number of games/players in the NBA and NCAA. I remember hearing about it happen to a handful of top players in my lifetime and maybe one player every year. With CF and box jumps it is happening a lot. The movement isn't safe. Sure people can get hurt doing any of the other movements, but chances are on those the injury is from a lack of strength/training, going too heavy, bad form, etc. I don't know that there is much that can be done to prevent what's happening on the box jumps other than stop doing them and step down instead of rebounding. It's also a terribly boring thing to watch them struggle through even when they aren't getting injured. Do some burpees or burpee bar jump overs or something else to keep their heart rate up and test their engines.

Shawn M Wilson 05-31-2015 06:24 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
I gave up years ago doing bounding. Local guy tore his years ago in the open DL and box jump workout.

I agree there are lots of other options to raise the HR and have less risk for injury of athletes.

If we want/need box jumps do it for max height, 3 attempts in 10 mins or something (no decrease in height per attempt). Of course we will run into the big height short vs tall person debate.

Richard Colon 05-31-2015 06:33 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
The parts about "it wasn't directly related to the rebound of it, you weren't there, the medical said this or that"..just blah.

She is hurt. She injured her Achilles. She did it during a box jump. Enough said. Everything else starts to have a bit of odor to it..

The parts about "it happens in other sports"..just blah.

Other sports require that risk. You could drop the bar on your head during a Snatch but the risk comes with it and yes - $hit happens. How do you compete in the sport of Olympic Weightlifting without putting the bar over your head?

You could say achilles injuries happen when cutting or changing direction but how exactly do you play a highly competitive game of basketball or complete a tennis match at the highest level without changing direction and cutting? Not going to happen, therefore, the risk..well you just have to take it, because the movement is necessary and without that movement, you can't call it tennis or basketball. It is PART of the game/sport.

The box jump however...what are you testing? One of two things in my mind.

- The ability to jump, in which case, why not just do low rep, very high box jumps (max height stuff). Sure, there may be some injury, but its more in the sense of bang up a body part, bruise something, smack a shin (unless you use soft boxes). Or simply do a vertical leap test - like in the NFL Combine.

- The ability to test cardiovascular fitness, engine, HR, work capacity - whatever the FU. What's wrong with sprints on the new Freeform thing, burpees, med ball slams, and about 4,000 other things to test HR.

Point is - you can create the same stimulus and test the EXACT same things using movements that are significantly less risky. With box jumps as we've seen them, you have the risk - which we all know, and the reward (or point you are trying to illustrate) can be achieved in many other ways - just as easily. Therefore, you have unnecessary risk. When you create [B]unnecessary risk[/B] at the highest level, which happens to remove one of the greatest athletes this "sport" has seen (in multiple regards), well then, from the outside looking in, it just looks retardedly foolish and selfish.

Jeff Railsback 05-31-2015 07:08 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
What happened to the girl on the GHD in the final heat of of team event 6 at the central regional?

Snir Golan 05-31-2015 08:04 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Jeff Railsback;1253234]What happened to the girl on the GHD in the final heat of of team event 6 at the central regional?[/QUOTE]

They said dislocated knee.

Diana Alt 05-31-2015 08:26 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Snir Golan;1253236]They said dislocated knee.[/QUOTE]

I had heard hyperextension of the knee right after we came off the floor but it was mass craziness. Definitely looked like knee stuff though.

Ludovic Deguy 06-01-2015 01:36 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
Happy to see Lucas Parker & Scott Panchik finish at the 1st place in their regions, they desserve it.

There are amazing young athletes out there and we saw crazy performances, but in the end, after the full 3 days of competition, you always see the well-rounded "veterans" rising above all the young guns.

Tim Alford 06-01-2015 06:42 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
WOW! Those 3 weeks went by fast. I have to say, of course there were people that didn't make it (like there is every year) Foucher and Bridges are my big 2. But more importantly.....how was that team competition?? With NorCal, Ute, and Mayhem all winning their regions (I still can't believe Mayhem won) I am super impressed. As much as I love Rich and James, I don't think they will beat the other two teams I mentioned. I can see these 3 being on the podium though, which would be exactly what Crossfit is hoping for!

Now we sit....and wait for July!

Miles Roberts 06-01-2015 07:47 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Christopher Morris;1253202]It looks like it was Julie's right achilles was the one that was injured. This is the ankle she was wearing the timing strap on. If she wore it tight, I wonder if impingement could be a factor in the injury?

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I wondered that too. I also wondered if she alternated how she landed, if it might have prevented the injury. If you watch, she turned on top of the box so her right ankle was always on the outside, so her right ankle always had the most stress on it. Compared to some athletes who wouldn't turn on the box, so they were alternating which ankle got the most abuse.

Either way, I feel absolutely awful for her. She was doing great at Regionals, great in that event, and based on how she did on the remainder of the events, she may have won the region if it weren't for the injury.

Maybe she'll decide to give it one more shot next year. I hope so.

Tighe Crovetti 06-01-2015 08:31 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
As soon as I saw what happened, I said Achilles, I was actually surprised the announcers and even Julie seemed to be confused about what happened. If you were watching, you noticed that she immediately looked behind her with this confused look on her face, this "what was that??" expression. I've always heard that tearing your Achilles feels like you've been kicked in the heel. I think that's exactly what she felt, and was looking back like, "who did that??" On the replays, I was actually re-terrified because when she came down off the box after the injury, she came down with that right leg first. She's probably lucky she didn't full tear it by doing that.

Just an awful bout of bad luck. I'm with everyone on the danger of rebounding, and while I agree that it takes previous wear and tear and microtraumas to contribute, I don't think those microtraumas will eventually add up to a tear. I think rebounding is the best (worst) way to finally finish off your Achilles. I don't step down when I do box jumps/overs, but I always take just a brief moment for my entire foot to come down and re-load my legs and glutes to take off again, instead of just popping right back up off my toes/calves. It's not worth it for me to shave those milliseconds.


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