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Allen Yeh 11-03-2005 05:43 AM

Hey everyone,

I'm not sure if anyone can help but after searching through the web I'm left at square one so any suggestions would be appreciated.

Since Tuesday morning my right leg has felt weak and when I walk and extend my leg fully it felt painful and like it could just buckle. This sensation has been with me since, it feels like it's on the back of my leg behind on the opposite side of my knee, it feels almost like it's at the top of my calf (gastroc, not soleus). I did the ME Clean and jerks on Monday but I don't remember straining anything...no pains Monday at all. It feels like all of a sudden Tuesday morning it just happenend. When I'm sitting still I have no pain at all, but when I walk I feel the twinge and the weakness, also when I walk up stairs through some painful experimentation if I walk up the stairs and point my toes it is VERY painful (like a jolt is being sent down my lower leg). If I stand straight totally balanced I feel nothing but if I shift weight to my right leg I feel as if it would just buckle. I tried a brief run (maybe not the smartest thing) no real pain for the 200 or so yards but as soon as I stopped I felt as if I couldn't support my weight on that leg at all.

I wanted to get anyone opinion/experience on this since I'm clueless and have never had anything like this happen before especially since I don't recall injuring myself.

Another question is that I was planning on doing upper body stuff while this was problematic. If it continues on into next week I think a visit to the doctor might be called for?

Christian Lemburg 11-03-2005 09:08 AM

Please get to a medical doctor, immediately, to rule out a deep venous thrombosis (unlikely, but potentially life threatening in rare cases). If your leg is in any way swollen and/or warm and red, hurry up.

Hopefully this is just a muscular problem that you can get cured with some self-massage, but the fact that you have no clear clue where it came from and the onset and the location of the pain makes me extremely nervous.

Some links to inform you about the condition:

- [url=http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23068982/]http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23068982/[/url]
- [url=http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000156.htm]http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000156.htm[/url]
- [url=http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0689/is_n4_v37/ai_14611787]http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0689/is_n4_v37/ai_14611787[/url]

Good luck, fast recovery, and I really hope this is not what I suspect,

Christian

Allen Yeh 11-03-2005 09:24 AM

Christian,

I read the links and that alarms me a bit....but I have no swollenness and/or warm and red.

Should I be going to the ER? General practice doctor? Or some kind of specialist?

I ask this because I currently don't ahve a physician because we only moved here a few months ago and it hasn't been time for a checkup yet.

Thank you,
Allen

Christian Lemburg 11-03-2005 10:03 AM

I personally would go to the ER (Emergency Room) at some hospital nearby, but - I am living in Germany, and it would just cost me 10 EUR hospital fee, even if nothing would be found. It's your decision - I don't know about your health care system. I would go somewhere, fast, where they can check it.

The MedLinePlus article says "Call your health care provider if symptoms suggestive of DVT occur.
Go to the emergency room or call the local emergency number (such as 911) if chest pain, difficulty breathing, fainting, loss of consciousness, or other severe symptoms occur in a person with a DVT."

PatientUK says: "You will normally be seen urgently at hospital if you have a suspected DVT. Tests may be done to confirm the diagnosis."

Unfortunately, this condition can only be diagnosed with some equipment (MedLinePlus mentions doppler ultrasound and venography/plethysmography), so I would opt for a hospital ER instead of the "family doc", even if this means some more waiting in a crowded waiting room.

Good luck, and let's hope I am just paranoid,

Christian

Frank C Ollis 11-03-2005 12:21 PM

Allen,
keep us posted.

Allen Yeh 11-03-2005 01:17 PM

Appointment set for tomorrow morning, was going to do Angie this afternoon till my wife told me gave me a reality check "Your going to workout with a possible blood clot in your leg? What should I put on the tombstone?"

So we shall see what the doc says.

Tom Brose 11-03-2005 05:07 PM

First, hope it turns out well, then you can join us for some CrossFit DC workouts.

Second, the answer to your wifes question is easy, if you died from doing Angie, she would HAVE to put your time on the tombstone (and hopefully you could go out "as rx'd")

Maybe not so funny to you, and dont tell her.

take care

David Besachio 11-03-2005 09:54 PM

Allen:

Barring some unusual circumstance such as venous trauma or hypercoagulability and given your symptoms, I think a blood clot is fairly low probability. My caveat, however is that I never say never and never say always when it comes to things like this. I think Christian has a good point. A classic sign of of DVT has been when you dorsiflex your toe, some people will get calf pain. Regardless of the direction your toe is going, this is not very sensitive or specific for DVT but it's ingrained in our medical training. The acute onset of your pain is a little unusual as well. DVT is often insidious while Pulmonary Embolism is acute. Weakness would be an unusual characteristic as well. Consider other possibilitis such as a compartment syndrome, trigger point (I expected this one from you Christian :-), tenosynovitis, stress injury, plantaris tendon rupture or other muslce strain/tear, etc. A physical exam would really helpful here so you're on the right track. Good luck. I hope it turns out to be a big bunch of nothing.

William Hunter 11-04-2005 09:48 AM

Allen, it's really a good idea you're getting cleared of all potential "red flags". Christian and David are all over it.

However, after DVT is ruled out, you'll be needing some instructions on how to treat your injury. Like David, I was awaiting Christian's links to self treatment of TrPs.

Come on Christian! We need links to the gastroc, biceps femoris, popliteus and plantaris muscles :-)

Good luck Allen.

David Werner 11-04-2005 10:00 AM

Allen

Christians' warning about venous thrombosis should be checked out, but when that is ruled out here is a possibility.

The Sciatic nerve will produce all those symptoms - I've had all that you listed. The sciatic nerve passes through the lower lumbar region of the spine, your symptoms are some classic symptoms of one or more bulging or ruptured discs. I had three lumbar discs rupture and discovered this the same way you did - weakness and pain in the morning. In my case I crashed spectacularly when I jumped out of bed to turn off the alarm clock.

If your pain and weakness is worst when you rise in the morning and gets better through the day, it's another indication of disc problems. The inter-vertebral discs swell with fluid while we sleep and the spine has less compression on it. After waking, the discs compress some as the spine supports loads. It takes about 1/2-1 hour of moving around for this morning swelling to subside.

If it turns out you do have a disc problem it's not the end of the world, get some good coaching to make sure you can hold a nuetral spine under all circumstances, and have proper hip function. Making your back and abs as strong as you can make them will allow normal activity.

Let us know what you find.

Regards
Dave Werner
Crossfit North

David Besachio 11-04-2005 08:36 PM

Allen any word? Tell us it's just a ruptured Baker's Cyst.

Genevieve Gornicki 11-07-2005 12:55 AM

Do you know what? For the longest time I had severe pain in my left leg when running and stuff and it turns out it was just bad arch support in my shoes! Don't rule that out either. its all connected, and if you have good equipment, it makes hurting yourself less likely

Allen Yeh 11-07-2005 05:20 AM

Hey everyone,

Thanks for all the replies. I saw the nurse practitioner on Friday and her thoughts were that it was simply a slight tear and that it had filled with fluid so she put me on Aleve 2 pills 2 times a day and told me to call if it comes back and she will set me up for an MRI otherwise.

Since friday I've had no problems with the leg so it lasted from Tuesday morning until Thursday evening. (of course it goes away the night before the appointment).

Thanks again for all the replies, did the WOD from today and I guess we'll see how it feels tomorrow heh

Christian Lemburg 11-07-2005 05:58 AM

Good to hear that, Allen!

I am glad to hear I was just paranoid.

As for the tear - you know what will be coming now - you should massage that after it has healed (no deep massage in the first days after acute injury!) ... and here are the requested links ... ("We need links to the gastroc, biceps femoris, popliteus and plantaris muscles") - you know what, the Pain Navigator has them all ...

- [url=http://altmed.iatp.org.ua/pain/maps/posterior_knee_pain.htm]http://altmed.iatp.org.ua/pain/maps/posterior_knee_pain.htm[/url]
- [url=http://altmed.iatp.org.ua/pain/maps/posterior_leg_pain.htm]http://altmed.iatp.org.ua/pain/maps/posterior_leg_pain.htm[/url]

Don King 01-14-2008 06:49 PM

Re: Weird pains in my right leg for no reason?
 
Allen,

This thread is pretty old but I wanted to find out if you ever suffered from this pain again. I recently started feeling the same sharp pain behind my knee(lateral) and need to figure out how to treat it. It looks to be a strain of the [URL="http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cybertherapist/back/backknee/rupturehstendons.htm"]Biceps femoris[/URL].(w/f safe)

Thanks,
Don

Allen Yeh 01-16-2008 10:04 AM

Re: Weird pains in my right leg for no reason?
 
Don,

My apologies for not responding to your post/PM, didn't see it until right now.

I haven't suffered the same pain again, I have had some discomfort in my right knee as I was doing the Oly workouts over at Catalyst Athletics but at the time I was lifting in flats and haven't had the same problems when I switched to Oly shoes (elevated heel).

Hope that's useful.

Allen

Steven Low 01-16-2008 10:41 AM

Re: Weird pains in my right leg for no reason?
 
[QUOTE=Don King;241731]Allen,

This thread is pretty old but I wanted to find out if you ever suffered from this pain again. I recently started feeling the same sharp pain behind my knee(lateral) and need to figure out how to treat it. It looks to be a strain of the [URL="http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cybertherapist/back/backknee/rupturehstendons.htm"]Biceps femoris[/URL].(w/f safe)

Thanks,
Don[/QUOTE]
What were you doing that injured it?

Don King 01-16-2008 09:13 PM

Re: Weird pains in my right leg for no reason?
 
The first time I felt the pain behind my left knee was after a workout as I was getting out of a chair - not during the workout. It was a very sharp pain but at the time I didn't think much of it, I just thought I put my weight on it wrong. Then around the middle of December I did some heavy squats one night. I don't remember my knee hurting while I was working out that time either but the next day whenever I put weight on it I would get that sharp pain. So much so that it would almost drop me to the ground. Now I have the pain whenever I do anything requiring going down into a squat position, even body weight exercises. Although I don't feel the pain walking or running, I do get a twinge when I put weight on it getting off the couch or out of a chair.

I've made the mistake of working through injuries in the past, but I'm being VERY cautious with this one. I'm beginning to wonder if this board shouldn't be renamed Don's Injuries Chronic & Acute. Getting old sucks.

Allen Yeh 01-17-2008 03:32 AM

Re: Weird pains in my right leg for no reason?
 
Have you been to see anyone about it? What else are you trying to do for it other than avoiding squats? Anything to limit inflammation?


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