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[QUOTE=Mark Ritchie;1250614]For scaled, one barbell or two? Two different weights would required loading/unloading 10 lb. plates to go from 95 to 115 each round.
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They've always said in the past when you must use one barbell and change your own weights. I am pretty sure you can use two.

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[QUOTE=Mark Ritchie;1250614]For scaled, one barbell or two? Two different weights would required loading/unloading 10 lb. plates to go from 95 to 115 each round.

Doesn't say either way in the video or the printed standards. HUGE advantage to have 2 barbells -- no transition time.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

2 barbells otherwise you will loose so much time between the movements. I did it with 2.....

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[QUOTE=Steven Ngo;1250609]Bridges doing his hspu with hands too far apart so he's not reaching his tape mark. Getting no repped like crazy[/QUOTE]

Josh needed to point his toes downwards to raise his heels... that was the problem. Look at Panchik...

He will see that in the video and smash this by Monday..

He was pretty ****ed off, but that's what it is all about.. a new standard

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[QUOTE=Alex Burden;1250623]Josh needed to point his toes downwards to raise his heels... that was the problem. Look at Panchik...

He will see that in the video and smash this by Monday..

He was pretty ****ed off, but that's what it is all about.. a new standard[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://www.board.crossfit.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13747&stc=1&d=1426851473"]Dorsiflexion![/URL] (wfs)

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[QUOTE=Jayme Gruber;1250404]I'm thinking they bust out HSPU this week, based on these athletes.[/QUOTE]
:thanx:

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What about ab mats and plates for the HSPU? I know that your head must pass below your palms if you use an ab mat and plates, but haven't tested it yet. What bumper plate does that equal out to? 25lbs? 35lbs? 45lbs?

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[QUOTE=Scott Siegel;1250629]What about ab mats and plates for the HSPU? I know that your head must pass below your palms if you use an ab mat and plates, but haven't tested it yet. What bumper plate does that equal out to? 25lbs? 35lbs? 45lbs?[/QUOTE]

Usually 45s will do the trick, just make sure you test it out before the workout.

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[QUOTE=Mark Ritchie;1250614]For scaled, one barbell or two? Two different weights would required loading/unloading 10 lb. plates to go from 95 to 115 each round.

Doesn't say either way in the video or the printed standards. HUGE advantage to have 2 barbells -- no transition time.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

Usually it is one bar and you change your weights, but since it doesn't specifically say that in the standards, I would say use two bars. Just be prepared to do the workout a 2nd time by Monday, since HQ loves to announce new rules (like in week 1), halfway through the competition.

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dbl post

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[QUOTE=Mark Ritchie;1250614]For scaled, one barbell or two? Two different weights would required loading/unloading 10 lb. plates to go from 95 to 115 each round.

Doesn't say either way in the video or the printed standards. HUGE advantage to have 2 barbells -- no transition time.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

everybody at our gym used 2 barbells.

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Our athletes used 2. Didn't say otherwise in the standards and in an 8 minute workout, it wouldn't be right to spend 1/2 of it changing out plates.

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Any issues with deadlifting then hang-cleaning the weight? I don't think there is, but wanted to check that general consensus.

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[QUOTE=Nicholas Wheeler;1250660]Any issues with deadlifting then hang-cleaning the weight? I don't think there is, but wanted to check that general consensus.[/QUOTE]

As long as the weight starts on the floor it doesn't matter.

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[QUOTE=Kyle Feliberty;1250658]Our athletes used 2. Didn't say otherwise in the standards and in an 8 minute workout, it wouldn't be right to spend 1/2 of it changing out plates.[/QUOTE]

what about starting the push press bar from a squat rack instead of the ground?

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[QUOTE=Steven Ngo;1250663]what about starting the push press bar from a squat rack instead of the ground?[/QUOTE]
Edited. See Mike's post below.

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[QUOTE=Steven Ngo;1250663]what about starting the push press bar from a squat rack instead of the ground?[/QUOTE]

No racks. It says it in the workout description, just below the picture showing the OH finish position:

"At the top, the elbow, shoulder, hips and knees are fully extended, and the bar finishes directly over the body with the feet in line. Using a rack is not permitted."

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[QUOTE=Michael Cook;1250666]No racks. It says it in the workout description, just below the picture showing the OH finish position:

"At the top, the elbow, shoulder, hips and knees are fully extended, and the bar finishes directly over the body with the feet in line. Using a rack is not permitted."[/QUOTE]

oh snap! i never even noticed those captions :o

they need to lay out those pics / descriptions better. If you scrolled straight down to scaled you'd never even realize some of those pics belonged to the scaled section.

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fyi, they specified that scaled can use two barbells. Saw it on twitter a little bit ago.

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[QUOTE=Jon Campbell;1250662]As long as the weight starts on the floor it doesn't matter.[/QUOTE]

Um, no. This workout requires the clean to start from the floor, which means that if you deadlift then do a hang clean you haver failed to meet the standard since a clean is one fluid lift and a deadlift plus hang clean is two lifts. It's ok to muscle, power, or split clean but not hang clean. When hang clean is acceptable, it's stated as such.

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Anyone seen Bozman vs Rory McKernan during The Open?

Been trying to find them on YouTube but having no luck

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[QUOTE=Diana Alt;1250685]Um, no. This workout requires the clean to start from the floor, which means that if you deadlift then do a hang clean you haver failed to meet the standard since a clean is one fluid lift and a deadlift plus hang clean is two lifts. It's ok to muscle, power, or split clean but not hang clean. When hang clean is acceptable, it's stated as such.[/QUOTE]

Can you please point-out where it is stated that it must be "one fluid lift"? If that's part of the standard, or if there is anywhere that they specifically mention "no hang cleans", then I missed it. Just because you're interpreting it that way doesn't make it true unless specified.

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[QUOTE=Jeremy Schultz;1250694]Can you please point-out where it is stated that it must be "one fluid lift"? If that's part of the standard, or if there is anywhere that they specifically mention "no hang cleans", then I missed it. Just because you're interpreting it that way doesn't make it true unless specified.[/QUOTE]

The standard:
A muscle clean, power clean, squat clean or split clean may be used, as long as the barbell comes up to the shoulders, with the hips and knees fully extended with the feet in line and the elbows in front of the bar.

No mention of one fluid lift!

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[QUOTE=Alex Burden;1250696]The standard:
A muscle clean, power clean, squat clean or split clean may be used, as long as the barbell comes up to the shoulders, with the hips and knees fully extended with the feet in line and the elbows in front of the bar.

No mention of one fluid lift![/QUOTE]

The very definition of a clean is one fluid lift, and the instructions specify that you have to start reps from the floor. I promise you that hang cleans will be disallowed in online judging. HQ always specified when hang position is required or allowed in events in my experience.

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I seriously doubt anyone will care. Really are you guys still arguing about this ? As far as I can see a DL to hang clean is fine.

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[QUOTE=Diana Alt;1250701]The very definition of a clean is one fluid lift, and the instructions specify that you have to start reps from the floor. I promise you that hang cleans will be disallowed in online judging. HQ always specified when hang position is required or allowed in events in my experience.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't matter what online judges say. There are tons of videos where people are using the wrong weights, doing the incorrect pull-up for their age group, etc and they have multiple thumbs down, but their scores are still counted.

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[QUOTE=Jason A Smith;1250708]I seriously doubt anyone will care. Really are you guys still arguing about this ? As far as I can see a DL to hang clean is fine.[/QUOTE]

I am not sure arguing is the right word, but I guess I am sensitive given that I am a highly experienced judge with experience programming competitions, serving as judging director, judging the Open multiple years as well numerous competitions, and judging many competitions with everything from first time competitors to elite athletes. There is a circle of people who pay a lot of attention to this stuff, and I'm one of them.

As to what is happening with thumbs down on online judging, the way I understand that is that games staff review things with sufficient thumbs down and then make adjustments. Seems like it can take some time for them t get to it though. I tend to judge in person a lot more than online though.

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[QUOTE=Diana Alt;1250716]I am not sure arguing is the right word, but I guess I am sensitive given that I am a highly experienced judge with experience programming competitions, serving as judging director, judging the Open multiple years as well numerous competitions, and judging many competitions with everything from first time competitors to elite athletes. There is a circle of people who pay a lot of attention to this stuff, and I'm one of them.

As to what is happening with thumbs down on online judging, the way I understand that is that games staff review things with sufficient thumbs down and then make adjustments. Seems like it can take some time for them t get to it though. I tend to judge in person a lot more than online though.

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Having done as you have a hang clean can start from the floor for every rep.

The problem we face is HQ did not specifically define this to the nth degree.

How one cleans it doesn't matter as long as they clean it and every rep starts from the floor.

Had they been more specific it would have been great but they didn't.

At any comp I've judged or helped lead judge we always demonstrate and show what is and isn't allowed. We are very specific. Here they weren't which allows for any variation of a clean provided it starts each rep from the floor.

I don't spend time online judging. The first year we had that option I quickly realized how much of a pain it was and decided I would rather skip that and spend time with my family.

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[QUOTE=Shawn M Wilson;1250718]Having done as you have a hang clean can start from the floor for every rep.

The problem we face is HQ did not specifically define this to the nth degree.

How one cleans it doesn't matter as long as they clean it and every rep starts from the floor.

Had they been more specific it would have been great but they didn't.

At any comp I've judged or helped lead judge we always demonstrate and show what is and isn't allowed. We are very specific. Here they weren't which allows for any variation of a clean provided it starts each rep from the floor.

I don't spend time online judging. The first year we had that option I quickly realized how much of a pain it was and decided I would rather skip that and spend time with my family.[/QUOTE]


Shawn, I just had a lightbulb about what you meant in how to hang clean and still technically meet requirements. I still disagree that it's what's intended but you make sense.

The main competition that I direct judging for, we actually do videos demonstrating things. We don't have Brooke in our videos, but they are still pretty good and thorough!

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As you said before, by definition, a clean is from the floor to front rack in one smooth motion. So if you do a deadlift and then a hang clean, that would not be a clean, and would be illegal in weightlifting.

However, I have no idea what the official crossfit hq rules are so it's a moot point until they specify

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Here is my guess for 15.5

1. There will be pistols at the beginning of the RXed WOD
2. There will be an ascending thruster latter
3. It will be a chipper... For time (with time cap)

Here is my best guess
15.5
For time (25min cap)
10 pistols each leg (can alternate)
50 thrusters 75lbs
20 box jumps 30" (no step ups allowed)
40 thrusters 95lbs
30 swings 2pood/70lb/36kg KB
30 thrusters 135lbs
40 burpees to 6" target
20 thrusters 155lbs
50 cal row
10 thrusters 185lbs
Each rep not completed adds 1 second to the score

Scaled (25 min cap)
20 step ups onto box
50 thrusters 45lbs
20 box jumps 24" (step ups allowed)
40 thrusters 75lbs
30 swings 35lbs/1pood/16kg kb
30 thrusters 95 lbs
40 standard burpees
20 thrusters 95lbs
row 50 calories
10 thrusters 95lbs
Each rep not completed adds 1 second to the score

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[QUOTE=Andrew Daggon;1250722]As you said before, by definition, a clean is from the floor to front rack in one smooth motion. So if you do a deadlift and then a hang clean, that would not be a clean, and would be illegal in weightlifting.

However, I have no idea what the official crossfit hq rules are so it's a moot point until they specify[/QUOTE]

In last year's Regionals event that required "squat cleans", they specifically mentioned that a Power Clean followed by a Front Squat was allowed, so why would a Deadlift/Hang Clean variant in the Open be more strict than that? Especially without specifically ruling it out in the standards?

In the end, I doubt many people are going to go that route, so it's probably a moot point...

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[QUOTE=Jeremy Schultz;1250738]In last year's Regionals event that required "squat cleans", they specifically mentioned that a Power Clean followed by a Front Squat was allowed, so why would a Deadlift/Hang Clean variant in the Open be more strict than that? Especially without specifically ruling it out in the standards?

In the end, I doubt many people are going to go that route, so it's probably a moot point...[/QUOTE]

My understanding from friends who judged regionals was that they specifically mentioned that the power clean + front squat was acceptable precisely because it does NOT meet the standard definition of a squat clean. Typically, HQ (and other major competitions that largely model off HQs stuff) will state when non standard versions of stuff ARE allowed more than stating every weird variation that isn't.

*shrug*

Like a couple of people have said, a deadlift to a hang clean is a pretty dumb way to do 15.4 anyway so I guess it's mostly moot.

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Anyone know what happened to Valerie Voboril? She's one of my favorites, and it looks like she didn't submit a score for 15.4?

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[QUOTE=Miles Roberts;1250777]Anyone know what happened to Valerie Voboril? She's one of my favorites, and it looks like she didn't submit a score for 15.4?[/QUOTE]Affiliates don't have to validate until Wednesday at 8pm.

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After Josh Bridges lost the 15.4 announcement workout, I hoped to see him overcome his struggles with the new HSPU standards.

First he posted a video on Instagram of HSPU practice, nailing each rep to standard with the help of a mirror: [url]https://instagram.com/p/0eLd9UHcQY/[/url] (wfs)

Today he posted a new score of 167, a 45 rep improvement over his first score.

Way to go, Josh!

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Rich still second, this will be a furious 15.4.

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burpees
thrusters
box jumps

movements we've seen in EVERY past Open - but not yet in 2015.

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If Rich and Jason both finish in the top 5 worldwide and do the team competition, does that lessen the main event? I mean, if Fraser finishes first in the Open and then wins the Games, then that is fine by me. But when 2 of the top 5 in the world aren't competing individually I think it makes a huge difference. Any thoughts?

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[QUOTE=Sean Dunston;1250805]burpees
thrusters
box jumps

movements we've seen in EVERY past Open - but not yet in 2015.[/QUOTE]

If DC was being real sneaky he'd go the opposite way and make a chipper of movements we've already done.

How about

50 Toes to Bar
50 Deadlifts
50 Snatches
50 OHS
50 C2B
50 Wall Ball Shots
50 Double Unders

AMRAP 20 Minutes

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I think that DC has to test all of the movements just like before.

Leaves Box jumps, Thrusters, burpees of some kind, Rowing and maybe pistols.

I hope that the thrusters are super heavy, box jumps are high, burpees are long, rowing is medium and many pistols...

But I have learned that I know nothing of what DC says on Thursdays.

Will be fun to do and watch. Just need to close the show.

Cheers

Vic