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Luke Sirakos 05-25-2015 07:15 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
I too won't be missing Bridges. He is just too small to ever win it and it always shows once they get to workouts that require moving serious weight.

Christopher Morris 05-25-2015 08:37 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
If you didn't watch California's last heat of men's event 7, go back and watch it.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb5P54jerg8&t=31m20s[/url] (wfs)

Dan Bailey was swinging like crazy for nearly all the muscle ups.

The whole row of men came off the rings at the same time. All 10 finished with 14 seconds of each other. That was a crazy race!

Marshall Flagg 05-25-2015 11:04 AM

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Re: Bridges. I prefer many over him. I was specifically watching how Bridges would react to his Invictus partner Andersen's struggling to complete the HSPU in event 6. Bridges was done and I wondered if Bridges would get in Andersen's face to get him moving. He didn't. He sat on a block and was talking with Bailey. Towards the end Bridges got up and got the crowd into it but that was about it. Andersen was pretty much HSPUing himself out of a games spot at that point. I don't know why I care. I guess I figured the Sea of Green was a tight group. On a similar but unrelated note, Lauren Fisher was gracious, smiling and waving throughout.

Richard Colon 05-25-2015 01:45 PM

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[QUOTE=Marshall Flagg;1252963]I guess I figured the Sea of Green was a tight group.[/QUOTE]

I don't care what anyone, any gym owner, any box mentality, community person says. At the highest levels of competition, with a significantly increasing amount of prize money on the line and the global attention and sponsorship's that come with being one of the best and the ability to offset the sacrifice and commitment of being a top level athlete and chance to almost set up your family, your own business (box), well.. this tight group thing. It will take a back seat.

Diana Alt 05-25-2015 02:52 PM

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[QUOTE=Marshall Flagg;1252963]Re: Bridges. I prefer many over him. I was specifically watching how Bridges would react to his Invictus partner Andersen's struggling to complete the HSPU in event 6. Bridges was done and I wondered if Bridges would get in Andersen's face to get him moving. He didn't. He sat on a block and was talking with Bailey. Towards the end Bridges got up and got the crowd into it but that was about it. Andersen was pretty much HSPUing himself out of a games spot at that point. I don't know why I care. I guess I figured the Sea of Green was a tight group. On a similar but unrelated note, Lauren Fisher was gracious, smiling and waving throughout.[/QUOTE]

Do you personally know how Andersen likes to be motivated in a workout? My guess is that you don't. There are plenty of athletes I know who actually dislike when people, especially people they know, get in their face trying to "motivate" them in a hard workout. It might be only 10% of the athletes that feel that way, but it's entirely possible Andersen is one of them and Bridges is respecting that.

Just another point of view.

Jason Fischer 05-25-2015 03:23 PM

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[QUOTE=Diana Alt;1252970]Do you personally know how Andersen likes to be motivated in a workout? My guess is that you don't. There are plenty of athletes I know who actually dislike when people, especially people they know, get in their face trying to "motivate" them in a hard workout. It might be only 10% of the athletes that feel that way, but it's entirely possible Andersen is one of them and Bridges is respecting that.

Just another point of view.[/QUOTE]

This.

I know lots of people think it's super encouraging to have people cheering for you, regardless of when you finish a wod and at a local gym, that's awesome. I can't help but think as a regional/games level athlete, knowing other athletes are cheering for you is just a reminder that others finished before you. I think it would bug me.

Snir Golan 05-25-2015 03:50 PM

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[QUOTE=Richard Colon;1252965]I don't care what anyone, any gym owner, any box mentality, community person says. At the highest levels of competition, with a significantly increasing amount of prize money on the line and the global attention and sponsorship's that come with being one of the best and the ability to offset the sacrifice and commitment of being a top level athlete and chance to almost set up your family, your own business (box), well.. this tight group thing. It will take a back seat.[/QUOTE]

this. we all know that JB HATES to lose. we have seen him after the open workout when he lost to Scott, he was miserable.

Tim Squires 05-25-2015 03:54 PM

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[QUOTE=Marshall Flagg;1252963]Re: Bridges. I prefer many over him. I was specifically watching how Bridges would react to his Invictus partner Andersen's struggling to complete the HSPU in event 6. Bridges was done and I wondered if Bridges would get in Andersen's face to get him moving. He didn't. He sat on a block and was talking with Bailey. Towards the end Bridges got up and got the crowd into it but that was about it. Andersen was pretty much HSPUing himself out of a games spot at that point. I don't know why I care. I guess I figured the Sea of Green was a tight group. On a similar but unrelated note, Lauren Fisher was gracious, smiling and waving throughout.[/QUOTE]

It's also going around that Bridges isn't with Invictus anymore. Among other things, CJ left him off his list of Invictus Athletes going to regionals on a recent blog post.

Marshall Flagg 05-25-2015 03:58 PM

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[QUOTE=Diana Alt;1252970]Do you personally know how Andersen likes to be motivated in a workout? My guess is that you don't. There are plenty of athletes I know who actually dislike when people, especially people they know, get in their face trying to "motivate" them in a hard workout. It might be only 10% of the athletes that feel that way, but it's entirely possible Andersen is one of them and Bridges is respecting that.

Just another point of view.[/QUOTE]


I totally get that. My wife cant stand that motivation stuff. I certainly did not mean to start a war or anything, just an observation I made. It certainly is a reminder you are the last one still working.

With regard to CF competitions that sort of thing almost seems expected these days. By the spectators anyway. Or at least it would be odd if it did not happen

Blair Robert Lowe 05-25-2015 06:37 PM

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[QUOTE]There are plenty of athletes I know who actually dislike when people, especially people they know, get in their face trying to "motivate" them in a hard workout. [/QUOTE]

^^ This. Can't stand this. Get out of my face and let me work. You may think you're doing this for me but if I had the time, I'd do a "This is Sparta kick." I'm just very picky about personal space. Usually I tell people to go away or give me my space though but I really hate it when somebody does this.

Blair Robert Lowe 05-25-2015 06:38 PM

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[QUOTE]Blair, because they had crappy form or because it didn't look like a sumo??[/QUOTE]

Because I think it's a stupid movement.

Richard Colon 05-25-2015 09:05 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
My favorite games level Crossfit dude of all time - Mikko Salo on Crossfits 13.5 video.

cameraman - "so you guys won't cheer?"
Mikko - "I don't need cheering."
cameraman - "what, no cheer?"
Mikko - "nah. Its for ladies."

a few laughs and grins and then "if you can't do a workout without cheering..so, whats the point?"

his thoughts on falling over on your back, rolling around on the ground (which I now for SOME people call the Crossfit Flop - because its a bit over the top) and his thoughts on music as a necessity to bring it are just top notch. The guy's the best.

Ludovic Deguy 05-26-2015 02:48 AM

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[QUOTE=Richard Colon;1252988]My favorite games level Crossfit dude of all time - Mikko Salo on Crossfits 13.5 video.

cameraman - "so you guys won't cheer?"
Mikko - "I don't need cheering."
cameraman - "what, no cheer?"
Mikko - "nah. Its for ladies."

a few laughs and grins and then "if you can't do a workout without cheering..so, whats the point?"

his thoughts on falling over on your back, rolling around on the ground (which I now for SOME people call the Crossfit Flop - because its a bit over the top) and his thoughts on music as a necessity to bring it are just top notch. The guy's the best.[/QUOTE]

I love his attitude.
But it is more related to personal taste, there is no fit for all environments to workout.
I prefer to workout by myself in the evening in a quiet environment (Children asleep, no music, …) but for most people it doesn’t work this way.

SP 05-26-2015 03:27 AM

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[quote=Ludovic Deguy;1252994]I love his attitude.
But it is more related to personal taste, there is no fit for all environments to workout.
I prefer to workout by myself in the evening in a quiet environment (Children asleep, no music, …) but for most people it doesn’t work this way.[/quote]

I'm the same. If I have control of the music at the gym (which is usually when I'm alone in the gym), I turn it off.

This attitude does seem to be more prevalent in Europeans than Americans.

Drew Cloutier 05-26-2015 04:29 AM

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[QUOTE=Struan Potter;1252995]I'm the same. If I have control of the music at the gym (which is usually when I'm alone in the gym), I turn it off.

This attitude does seem to be more prevalent in Europeans than Americans.[/QUOTE]

I will say it depends what kind of training session I have upcoming:

- Powerlifting training = no music or metal (I can't even hear the music when i'm IN IT and going heavy)
- Bodybuilding training = Rap
- Metcon training = no music or anything upbeat (NO techno)
- Bodybuilding cardio/show prep = prefer movie on my tablet/phone/computer/television at home.

Victor J McQuaide 05-26-2015 06:25 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
Yes cheering on a muscle fatigue or a goat could go either way. R Anderson was struggling from the very start.. sadly.. was hoping that he went to the games this year.. he is a super cool down to earth guy who looks very natural. Cheering would have come from the coach in practice programming strict deficit hspu's..

On the other hand I thought that the regionals were the best yet. Fun and exciting good for the spectators... Yes we do miss out on the home town box heros but its good to see the top 40 go at it.

Ludovic Deguy 05-26-2015 07:40 AM

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Event 7 was so fun to watch !!!
I'd love to see more events like this.
The event 7 for the East regionals : WOAH !

Shawn M Wilson 05-26-2015 08:00 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Diana Alt;1252970]Do you personally know how Andersen likes to be motivated in a workout? My guess is that you don't. There are plenty of athletes I know who actually dislike when people, especially people they know, get in their face trying to "motivate" them in a hard workout. It might be only 10% of the athletes that feel that way, but it's entirely possible Andersen is one of them and Bridges is respecting that.

Just another point of view.[/QUOTE]

I have a few athletes that seek me out when I judge the comps or open because of how stuff goes down.

Many of them "dislike" the crowd noise. One guy hates how his wife gets right up on the line and yells at him to do more. 2 minute, 1 minute. Don't be a pansy, suck it up, etc.

When your body is oxygen short and your brain isn't focused and you are trying to do what only you can do, the last thing they want is outside interference.

I stay in line of sight, keep the reps right in front of them with both fingers and being loud (each person prefers something different). If before hand they tell me they want a 1 min and 30 second call I will otherwise I try to shield them from the confusion and just keep them doing what they have planned.

Of course I have had guys who thrive off the noise. When the crowd cheers then they pick it up and lift/perform better.

Everyone is different. Knowing what they like/prefer is hard unless you know them well enough.

I think the biggest issue we see is when judging, a judge becomes like a spectator and cheers them on too much and falls off on the judging... Seen too many judges miss reps or count garbage because they are "cheering" vs judging.

Michael Cook 05-26-2015 08:25 AM

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[QUOTE=Ludovic Deguy;1253009]Event 7 was so fun to watch !!!
I'd love to see more events like this.
The event 7 for the East regionals : WOAH ![/QUOTE]

Event 7 is the big hit of the Regionals. Fun and exciting to watch, and from some of the athlete interviews, also fun to do.

Jason A Smith 05-26-2015 08:55 AM

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I agree that Event 7 is by far the most exciting to watch. And ultimately 2-3 seconds can make or break a years worth of training for a lot of people. The way the shuffled the scoring this year that last event is worth 1/7th of your score where the difference between going and not going is so slight. I think that event and the HS walk should have had a little less weighting.

As for the cheering on, I train by myself, I hate having people yell at me except for a few people who actually know what I am doing. Yelling at someone during strict deficit HSPUs is not going to help them at all.

Mikko was and always will be the man for his approach. Guy is just beast mode.

Victor J McQuaide 05-26-2015 10:49 AM

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I hate judging.. I find myself cheering and wondering how many reps they did... lucky I don't do it much.. I hate giving no reps.. but I have been no repped plenty of times in competition so some people love giving no reps. Yes you see inconstancy in one judge or the other.. one athlete or the next. We all hate to get no repped but I am sure that we deserved most all of them and a few more.

I do have mucho respect for judges who do this on their own free time and to the promotors who put on the events. Such a big cog with some many moving parts.

Andrew Bell 05-26-2015 11:17 AM

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Bridges: While I do admire his work ethic, it's really hard for me to get behind the guy. He is simply too small. I'm 6'2, 260lbs, and he is one large whole pizza away from being half of me. I do wish him the best in the future at the Games should he make it again.

Mikko: Guy was a machine in every sense of the word. I love his thoughts on no music/cheering, etc. Really miss him and his attitude.

Fisher: She's young, she'll be back. Yes she is a fan favorite also, and I wish she could have made it but I like the fact that she was waving to the fans, etc.

SDHP: An ancient cf move that goes WAY back. As for what they are here, as opposed to they are to the rest of the world, if a snatch can be pressed out, and still count, then I get it. It's CF making up a standard for it in their own world. No problem here. I actually like it in the CF world.

Drew Cloutier 05-27-2015 04:25 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Victor J McQuaide;1253018]I hate judging.. I find myself cheering and wondering how many reps they did... lucky I don't do it much.. I hate giving no reps.. but I have been no repped plenty of times in competition so some people love giving no reps. Yes you see inconstancy in one judge or the other.. one athlete or the next. We all hate to get no repped but I am sure that we deserved most all of them and a few more.

I do have mucho respect for judges who do this on their own free time and to the promotors who put on the events. Such a big cog with some many moving parts.[/QUOTE]

Just because you give no reps doesn't mean you like giving no reps...I don't like to...but if I see someone who's form is ***** then no way am I counting it...

Tim Alford 05-27-2015 07:19 AM

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[QUOTE=Drew Cloutier;1253050]Just because you give no reps doesn't mean you like giving no reps...I don't like to...but if I see someone who's form is ***** then no way am I counting it...[/QUOTE]


In some weird way I actually like no reps. Not when I get them of course, but when I see an elite athlete get one, you get to see their real side. Whether it is the Dan Bailey smile and head shake, the Froning death stare, or the Khalipa mouth open gaze. Seeing some major athletes yelling at a judge mid-WOD because of a no-rep shows they lack that mental edge. So, in a round about way, they are kind of nice to see. What I hate to see is when an athlete gets a dozen no reps because they're too exhausted or they don't understand the requirements, that's a little disheartening.

Michael Cook 05-27-2015 08:48 AM

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I like that CF made the standard for snatch and clean that a knee touching the floor would be a no rep.

Diana Alt 05-27-2015 10:21 AM

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[QUOTE=Drew Cloutier;1253050]Just because you give no reps doesn't mean you like giving no reps...I don't like to...but if I see someone who's form is ***** then no way am I counting it...[/QUOTE]

Did you mean to say that when you see an athlete who doesn't meet movement standards you won't count it? There absolutely is a difference. One of the most difficult things about judging is distinguishing between bad form and failure to meet movement standards. I allow reps all the time that have bad form because they met the standards. It's no fun to do this, but it's the job of the judge. Oddly enough, some of the people who suck the most at distinguishing this when judging are coaches.

Diana Alt 05-27-2015 10:25 AM

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[QUOTE=Tim Alford;1253058]In some weird way I actually like no reps. Not when I get them of course, but when I see an elite athlete get one, you get to see their real side. Whether it is the Dan Bailey smile and head shake, the Froning death stare, or the Khalipa mouth open gaze. Seeing some major athletes yelling at a judge mid-WOD because of a no-rep shows they lack that mental edge. So, in a round about way, they are kind of nice to see. What I hate to see is when an athlete gets a dozen no reps because they're too exhausted or they don't understand the requirements, that's a little disheartening.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I came very close to bouncing an athlete from a competition last year because she cussed me out for no repping her. Ultimately I told her that the WOD had a time cap and that it was her choice whether she wanted to use the time to argue with me or do the work.

Since I'm judging the Central regional, the running joke at my gym is that my life goal is to no rep Froning. God knows he shortcuts his squats enough to earn some. In reality, I'm hoping I won't even be judging The heats Froning is in. The team from my gym is going in as the top seed and if they perform like they should, I am expecting them to be in the same heat as Mayhem Freedom for the weekend. We have a few extra judges so I want to duck out to watch my friends compete if I can.

Victor J McQuaide 05-27-2015 10:27 AM

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Question about Masters, Teens and Teams.. mention a bit ago about them being in the Soccer stadium? Wonder if anyone heard anything else about that. They are charging $25.00 per day per person to watch. Certainly hope that Vendor Village is open so they can justify the charge. The track was a venue was good in that the stands held several thousand people. The soccer stadium holds so many would get lost. Knowing Crossfit I am sure that they have a plan maybe corner off some stands and make the platform, rig.. opens up so many new ideas. Castro was saying that the space of the track limited what he could do.

Tighe Crovetti 05-27-2015 10:38 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Diana Alt;1253066]Did you mean to say that when you see an athlete who doesn't meet movement standards you won't count it? There absolutely is a difference. One of the most difficult things about judging is distinguishing between bad form and failure to meet movement standards. I allow reps all the time that have bad form because they met the standards. It's no fun to do this, but it's the job of the judge. Oddly enough, some of the people who suck the most at distinguishing this when judging are coaches.[/QUOTE]
Excellent point. The Judges Course, in fact, is quite clear that a judge is not there to comment on an athlete's form/mechanics. They are only there to ensure that they meet the points of performance required to meet the standard, no more, no less.

Re: your other post, about Froning's squats. I can't say I've noticed, per se, but it reminds me of something, that I've thought that judging people with shorter legs and big quads can be difficult, particularly if they have a neutral-to-narrow stance. A guy at my box fits that build and I avoid judging him if possible; it can very hard to see exactly where their hip crease is sometimes.

Drew Cloutier 05-27-2015 11:12 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Diana Alt;1253066]Did you mean to say that when you see an athlete who doesn't meet movement standards you won't count it? There absolutely is a difference. One of the most difficult things about judging is distinguishing between bad form and failure to meet movement standards. I allow reps all the time that have bad form because they met the standards. It's no fun to do this, but it's the job of the judge. Oddly enough, some of the people who suck the most at distinguishing this when judging are coaches.[/QUOTE]

Totally correct. I am speaking more from a powerlifting background, the form vs standards are kind of the same thing in that realm...I mean other than say rounded back deadlifting, and some stuff like that...

I've no repped for not waiting for commands (in PL you have to wait for commands to start, rack, etc) no repped for butt coming off bench, not touching chest, not hitting parallel, dropping bar, etc...

Shawn M Wilson 05-27-2015 04:34 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Tighe Crovetti;1253069]Excellent point. The Judges Course, in fact, is quite clear that a judge is not there to comment on an athlete's form/mechanics. They are only there to ensure that they meet the points of performance required to meet the standard, no more, no less.

Re: your other post, about Froning's squats. I can't say I've noticed, per se, but it reminds me of something, that I've thought that judging people with shorter legs and big quads can be difficult, particularly if they have a neutral-to-narrow stance. A guy at my box fits that build and I avoid judging him if possible; it can very hard to see exactly where their hip crease is sometimes.[/QUOTE]

I chalked a guy and a girl leg once because their quads were huge and it was hard to tell if they met the standards. Neither of them cared because some people said they were not doing the movement and it was turning into a whinefest. Everyone shut up when they saw the chalk line show they were hitting depth.

Did we have to do it, no but they didn't want to get called because someone couldn't tell and no repped them. They knew they were doing it right and didn't care.

Diana Alt 05-28-2015 05:31 AM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Shawn M Wilson;1253087]I chalked a guy and a girl leg once because their quads were huge and it was hard to tell if they met the standards. Neither of them cared because some people said they were not doing the movement and it was turning into a whinefest. Everyone shut up when they saw the chalk line show they were hitting depth.

Did we have to do it, no but they didn't want to get called because someone couldn't tell and no repped them. They knew they were doing it right and didn't care.[/QUOTE]

This might be the best idea in the history of ideas.

I often recommend that athletes wear pants/shorts with an obvious stripe or design down the side as it also helps. Any time a guy with big quads rocks tights with a stripe in competition I say a little prayer of thanks.

We have multiple athletes on our team that are absolute quadzillas. Two of them are so big that sometimes it's hard to tell that they are fully extended at the top. I learned the last year or so that sometimes looked at the Glutes is the best way to determine the hip extension.

Tighe Crovetti 05-28-2015 06:49 AM

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I think you're onto something. I mean, the only reason someone would get upset is if they knew it was going to highlight their lack of proper range of motion. OK....I'm starting my own line of "EZ Judge" apparel, LOL.

Christopher Morris 05-28-2015 11:50 AM

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I'm excited for the Central Regionals this weekend!

I'm kinda bummed that the Regionals came and went so quickly this year. Only three weekends to get my fix. It does give every Games qualifier a couple of months to reset before the Games, though.

Ben Leeper 05-29-2015 09:32 AM

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[QUOTE=Diana Alt;1253067]I agree with you wholeheartedly. I came very close to bouncing an athlete from a competition last year because she cussed me out for no repping her. Ultimately I told her that the WOD had a time cap and that it was her choice whether she wanted to use the time to argue with me or do the work.

Since I'm judging the Central regional, the running joke at my gym is that my life goal is to no rep Froning. God knows he shortcuts his squats enough to earn some. In reality, I'm hoping I won't even be judging The heats Froning is in. The team from my gym is going in as the top seed and if they perform like they should, I am expecting them to be in the same heat as Mayhem Freedom for the weekend. We have a few extra judges so I want to duck out to watch my friends compete if I can.[/QUOTE]

Froning and Khalipa gave me 2 no reps at the same time during my level 1 cert during Fran on my last set of thrusters.

I then put the bar down with 3 thrusters to go. Froning then began yelling at me to pick it up. Froning yelling at me stands as the greatest athletic achievement to date for me.

Tim Alford 05-29-2015 10:16 AM

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[QUOTE=Ben Leeper;1253158]Froning and Khalipa gave me 2 no reps at the same time during my level 1 cert during Fran on my last set of thrusters.

I then put the bar down with 3 thrusters to go. Froning then began yelling at me to pick it up. Froning yelling at me stands as the greatest athletic achievement to date for me.[/QUOTE]

hahahahahahaa that is an awesome story!!

Concerning the team events in the Central......man, watching event 2 was rough, you can count on the men to give the girls a lead....and then squander it. I feel like they'll qualify for the Games and finish somewhere around 8th. I hate to say it, because I'm such a big Froning (and Hobart) guy. Next year (2016) will be their year.

Victor J McQuaide 05-29-2015 11:29 AM

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Yes they talk about the big teams.. Hack's pack and Nor Cal are way higher than the other. Yes Rich and his boys are tops but the girls are not so much. Will take 6 to win the event. Yes Rich will go to the games with the team but I believe that Nor Cal will take it. Wild Card is Invictus if they get Fisher and Rasmish on the team..

Kevin Locker 05-29-2015 12:42 PM

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I think team event 2 was very poorly designed unless I'm missing something. Basically, once the men get through the snatches, the rest of the event is practically meaningless for them unless their women somehow caught up.

After the women get started, it doesn't matter if the men are the first team done or the last from my understanding, all that matters is where the women finish. I think this event should have either been:

A: split so that half the points are based on the men, and half on the women
B: structured so that the women don't start until the men are completely finished. (probably not plausible from an event time perspective)
C: set up to allow either the men or women to go first. Adds a strategy element that I think should play a role. If you happen to have much stronger men than women (Crossfit Mayhem), you'd start the women first so your men's team has a chance to make up ground over the whole event- not just matter during the snatches and be virtually irrelevant after.

Tim Alford 05-29-2015 12:54 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Kevin Locker;1253169]I think team event 2 was very poorly designed unless I'm missing something. Basically, once the men get through the snatches, the rest of the event is practically meaningless for them unless their women somehow caught up.

After the women get started, it doesn't matter if the men are the first team done or the last from my understanding, all that matters is where the women finish. I think this event should have either been:

A: split so that half the points are based on the men, and half on the women
B: structured so that the women don't start until the men are completely finished. (probably not plausible from an event time perspective)
C: set up to allow either the men or women to go first. Adds a strategy element that I think should play a role. If you happen to have much stronger men than women (Crossfit Mayhem), you'd start the women first so your men's team has a chance to make up ground over the whole event- not just matter during the snatches and be virtually irrelevant after.[/QUOTE]

I agree totally. As cool as it was to see Froning come flying in first....it didn't matter at all. The final 115 snatches could have been walked through and it wouldn't have mattered. That was weird.

Diana Alt 05-29-2015 05:09 PM

Re: 2015 CrossFit Open, Regionals, and Games Thread
 
[QUOTE=Kevin Locker;1253169]I think team event 2 was very poorly designed unless I'm missing something. Basically, once the men get through the snatches, the rest of the event is practically meaningless for them unless their women somehow caught up.

After the women get started, it doesn't matter if the men are the first team done or the last from my understanding, all that matters is where the women finish. I think this event should have either been:

A: split so that half the points are based on the men, and half on the women
B: structured so that the women don't start until the men are completely finished. (probably not plausible from an event time perspective)
C: set up to allow either the men or women to go first. Adds a strategy element that I think should play a role. If you happen to have much stronger men than women (Crossfit Mayhem), you'd start the women first so your men's team has a chance to make up ground over the whole event- not just matter during the snatches and be virtually irrelevant after.[/QUOTE]

I think that they accomplished EXACTLY what they wanted with the design of this event. They wanted to force weakness in the women to be exploited and this event as designed works perfectly for that.

My day was pretty good. I'm enjoying judging a lot. Unfortunately one of the girls from my gyms teamgit very overheated during the first event with disastrous results - they came in dead last. They followed it up with a 4th place finish in event 2, though. Tomorrow is another day!


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