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Victor J McQuaide 07-14-2016 09:40 AM

Have people seen this?
 
[url]https://www.change.org/p/crossfit-inc-please-cancel-the-partnership-with-glock-for-the-winners-of-the-2016-crossfit-games?recruiter=15739575&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition[/url]

Personally think that its a bad idea to get guns involved in Crossfit. Especially with what is going on in the US right now. Like the article says Crossfit would not sign up Soda, Smokes etc.. why this one.

I really hope that they change their minds and think about the responsibility that the gun would have. Seriously bad decision and hope that for once HQ un winds that deal that they made.

Chris Lomen 07-14-2016 11:54 AM

Re: Have people seen this?
 
Thanks for sharing. Signed the petition.

I can't speak for the rest of the country/world but I can tell you people here in Minnesota are really hurting. There's been so much gun violence lately. Philando Castile was shot less than 2 miles away from our gym. Two toddlers were shot and killed in North Minneapolis last week. There is so much sadness and fear...this really couldn't have come at a more inopportune/insensitive time.

How was I supposed to know when I affiliated our gym to CrossFit that I would be signing up for a pro-gun organization? What do guns have to do with health and fitness?

Regardless of your stance on the 2nd amendment/gun violence/etc, you have to admit it is a very polarizing topic, and in what historically I have found to be a very inclusive and positive community, I just don't see how this helps make CrossFit better.

Steven Ngo 07-14-2016 01:13 PM

Re: Have people seen this?
 
such an odd prize. besides money, why wouldn't the prize be something fitness / exercise related?

such a shame if they're doing this just for the publicity :wallbash:

Victor J McQuaide 07-14-2016 01:24 PM

Re: Have people seen this?
 
Its really hard to believe all of this. 2nd amendment is 200 years old. Seems we need to change some things. Wonder why the government is so afraid? Maybe because of the millions of guns out in the streets.

Shame on x fit for adding fuel to the fire.

I am nor pro or con gun.. just want people to earn the right for one. I don't think winning a fitness comp is the right way to do it.

Jon Campbell 07-14-2016 01:39 PM

Re: Have people seen this?
 
[QUOTE=Victor J McQuaide;1263907]Its really hard to believe all of this. 2nd amendment is 200 years old. Seems we need to change some things. Wonder why the government is so afraid? Maybe because of the millions of guns out in the streets.

Shame on x fit for adding fuel to the fire.

I am nor pro or con gun.. just want people to earn the right for one. I don't think winning a fitness comp is the right way to do it.[/QUOTE]


Should we also have to earn the right to vote or to religion or free speech or ect....

Personally have I no issue with what Crossfit is doing. If someone doesn't like it they don't have to watch or participate in the games. If they win and don't want the gun just don't take it.

Victor J McQuaide 07-14-2016 02:55 PM

Re: Have people seen this?
 
It all starts with Education. Some country's have million guns and little to zero % of deaths by gun. We are not so much. Right to vote.. well many would say people need be educated in that one. Religion.. well that is one that has been on going for 1000's of years.. Again education..

Guns- some type of standards to get one. Winning the games might not be the best standard. Just my .02

Jason Fischer 07-14-2016 04:35 PM

Re: Have people seen this?
 
What happens if/when people from outside of the US win? For example, in Canada:

"To bring a restricted firearm into Canada you must obtain an Authorization to Transport permit (ATT) in addition to the Non-resident Firearm Declaration or PAL. This must be obtained in advance from the Chief Firearms Officer of the province where the firearm will be going, or where it will be crossing the border."

I believe most handguns are classified as restricted firearms up here. I'm sure there are countries out there with more restrictions?

Shawn M Wilson 07-14-2016 05:32 PM

Re: Have people seen this?
 
[QUOTE=Jason Fischer;1263915]What happens if/when people from outside of the US win? For example, in Canada:

"To bring a restricted firearm into Canada you must obtain an Authorization to Transport permit (ATT) in addition to the Non-resident Firearm Declaration or PAL. This must be obtained in advance from the Chief Firearms Officer of the province where the firearm will be going, or where it will be crossing the border."

I believe most handguns are classified as restricted firearms up here. I'm sure there are countries out there with more restrictions?[/QUOTE]

Perhaps they get $$ vs the gun if they don't want the gun.

As a guy who learned as a kid to shoot and started training my kids to shoot with a cricket 22 at 5 & 6 years old I don't see the issue knowing crossfire background and love of the military. Sure some people have issues. Others don't.

My friends from Israel can't imagine not having fun training. Over there your life could be called upon to defend your country at a moments notice. They don't have the robberies and what not we have here because every shop owner is packing and trained on how to shoot.

My friends from Africa (I do lots of missions there) can't believe how people are here. They said if our military would handle people like theirs do back home (shoot live rounds, clean up afterwards) we would have less issues with petty thugs doing riots and damage.

My buddies in Colombia wish they could have a gun. When the jungle commandos come down, raid your village and kill take what they want and the army is never there, you wish you had some way to protect yourself other than a machete.

Sadly in the US we pull out our camera and record everything vs helping because that's the kind of nation we turned into..

I speak this after being a member during the time the shooting took place at
My church Wedgwood in Fort Worth in 2000. I wish one of us with a fire arm had been present. Perhaps one life at least could have been saved from a crazy man...

Alex Burden 07-15-2016 06:36 AM

Re: Have people seen this?
 
This was a major error on CFHQ :ranting2:

How do you incorporate weapons in a WOD!

This will hurt the community more than they know as east of America there are rules about weapons and they are not a part of society.

A big **** up, that's all I can say.

Steven Ngo 07-15-2016 07:37 AM

Re: Have people seen this?
 
[QUOTE=Alex Burden;1263923]This was a major error on CFHQ :ranting2:

[B]How do you incorporate weapons in a WOD![/B]

This will hurt the community more than they know as east of America there are rules about weapons and they are not a part of society.

A big **** up, that's all I can say.[/QUOTE]

it's a prize, not 16.x WOD :D

Victor J McQuaide 07-15-2016 08:43 AM

Re: Have people seen this?
 
I have been giving this a thought and have been thinking emotionally about this gun thing. Lets take a business perspective. I own a business and when I think that I have a good idea I don't right away run with it. I get some input from my engineer, heads of departments, even put up in some social media would you want this idea.

I don't think that Castro and HQ did much thinking about this. Its all about education of his affiliates, members/customers, fans of the sport and the nay sayers who love this type of screw up.

I have a friend in Sweden who says he has lost a few members because of this. In Sweden and many other parts of the world guns are looked at in a way that they should be looked at un safe in the wrong hands and potentially un safe in the right hands.

Why divide your customer base against each other. We get enough flack with the public hating on crossfit being un safe, the athletes basically being un tested or min. the testing process flawed to say the least.

Why **** off your biggest partner Reebok.. glad that they publicly said this is not something that they support.

How many 2nd amendment people who are not in crossfit now are going to leave Nascar and join crossfit boxes because of guns being given out? Vs how many against guns or believe something has to be done to stop all the deaths related to them are going to leave the boxes and make it even harder to replace them.

Shame on HQ and not thinking about their brand, their affiliate owners, the end user on this one.

They have almost 15,000 signatures on this-
[url]https://www.change.org/p/crossfit-inc-please-cancel-the-partnership-with-glock-for-the-winners-of-the-2016-crossfit-games?recruiter=15739575&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition[/url]

Now Rich F sent the petition lead a message via his Instagram how many of the signers do crossfit? Rich could have taken a different stand and try to unite cross fitters and not drive the wedge further in.

I hope that some of the athletes take a stand against this type of dividing of crossfit. And educate Mr Castro on how so many other countries work.


Wake up HQ and smell the bad decision.

Greg Morrison 07-15-2016 09:26 AM

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All this hand-wringing seems kind of silly. It's a prize. They can't force anyone to take it if they don't want it. I'm sure Crossfit got something in return. No big deal as far as I'm concerned. :shrug:

Alex Burden 07-15-2016 10:47 AM

Re: Have people seen this?
 
Look at it like this.... Olympics is in Brasil

Growth of cocaine use in South America is outpacing any other region in the world and creating an emerging market boom for organized crime groups that are engaging in more cross-border cooperation aimed at making the most of growing local demand for the drug.

What would people say if they gave all podium winners were given a kilo coke...

As absurd as this sounds is the same with this decision.... Mixing weapons and CF is not good.

The best prize, gift to the athletes was the Murph vest....

Victor J McQuaide 07-15-2016 10:56 AM

Re: Have people seen this?
 
I read this on another site and thought it hit the nail on the head:


This thread has turned into a debate about gun control and it shouldn't...the issue is whether an organization that has become synonymous with fitness, good health, and community, promote a product that has nothing to do with health and fitness, is very divisive within the US, and viewed with a high degree of antipathy outside of the US. I think Castro was truthful when he said he had no personal agenda when he accepted the Glock offer. But for Glock, it was a carefully calculated business decision. The fastest growing, most profitable demographic for civilian gun sales in the world are young, white American males...as well, studies have shown that once you get the guy to play with guns, it is more likely he will get his partner to participate as well. For gun manufacturers, the CF demographic is a gold mine. Since buying guns is legal in this country, I can't blame the company for going where the money is....However, I don't believe CF should allow itself to be used in this fashion given the lack of association with fitness/athletics, and its obvious divisiveness.

Marshall Flagg 07-15-2016 01:36 PM

Re: Have people seen this?
 
I think it is brilliant. For a lot of reasons.

Jeff Railsback 07-16-2016 09:35 AM

Re: Have people seen this?
 
[QUOTE=Marshall Flagg;1263937]I think it is brilliant. For a lot of reasons.[/QUOTE]

I also see this as a refreshing move by CF. We are living in a weird world where corporations are racing to out PC other corporations in order so show how much they care. I, and many others, see this type of corporate behavior as nothing more than pandering.

Enter CFHQ. If anyone hasn't noticed, they don't fit the mold of how a business should be run and it has worked out brilliantly for them. They do what they wan't to do and what they believe in, and if you don't like it, thats on you. They tend not to change due to social pressure. If anything, it just makes their resolve that much stronger.

Of course, Reebok is a different story. They said exactly what I thought they would say. It's also a technique used by "anti-x" crowds to try and get sponsors to put pressure on business partners to change their behavior with the underlying threat ending the relationship. Won't work well with CFHQ. If Reebok pressed this issue with CFHQ beyond a simple statement, I don't think CF would have any problems ending their relationship with Reebok at the end of the contract (I think next year is the last). I'm sure Nike will be stepping up to the plate with a very good offer.

I would imagine that the leadership at CF is not losing any sleep over this, and probably find this even mildly entertaining.

Jeff Railsback 07-16-2016 09:46 AM

Re: Have people seen this?
 
[QUOTE=Victor J McQuaide;1263934]I read this on another site and thought it hit the nail on the head:


This thread has turned into a debate about gun control and it shouldn't...the issue is whether an organization that has become synonymous with fitness, good health, and community, promote a product that has nothing to do with health and fitness, is very divisive within the US, and viewed with a high degree of antipathy outside of the US. I think Castro was truthful when he said he had no personal agenda when he accepted the Glock offer. But for Glock, it was a carefully calculated business decision. The fastest growing, most profitable demographic for civilian gun sales in the world are young, white American males...as well, studies have shown that once you get the guy to play with guns, it is more likely he will get his partner to participate as well. For gun manufacturers, the CF demographic is a gold mine. Since buying guns is legal in this country, I can't blame the company for going where the money is....However, I don't believe CF should allow itself to be used in this fashion given the lack of association with fitness/athletics, and its obvious divisiveness.[/QUOTE]

They are also doing a giveaway/raffle for a Triumph motorcycle. Like guns, also cool, but nothing to do with CF.

Miles Roberts 07-18-2016 10:08 AM

Re: Have people seen this?
 
[QUOTE=Chris Lomen;1263905]

How was I supposed to know when I affiliated our gym to CrossFit that I would be signing up for a pro-gun organization?

What do guns have to do with health and fitness?
[/QUOTE]

I think they're less "pro-gun" than they are anti anti-gun.

In any case, I think its cool. If people don't want it, they can opt not to take it. Maybe they'll get cash value for it instead. The only silly part of it that I saw is that there's obviously a chance someone could win that couldn't even take it home with them because of domestic laws wherever they live. Whatever. I still think its a cool idea.

And... do you know what a biathlon is?

Brad Gerbrandt 07-18-2016 10:21 AM

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The winners could always sell their gun in the parking lot afterwards!

Chris Lomen 07-18-2016 01:37 PM

Re: Have people seen this?
 
[QUOTE=Miles Roberts;1263973]

And... do you know what a biathlon is?[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the sarcasm buddy. Yes I know what a biathlon is. Correct me if I'm mistaken but I don't believe they use handguns in those.

That's the worst part of this whole thing...it's divisive. This thread is actually pretty tame compared to some of the facebook posts though...half is "CASTRO IS WORSE THAN HITLER!!" and the other half is "ANYONE WHO IS UPSET IS A LIBERAL PU@#Y! THEY SHOULD BE SHOT!"

The result has been just bad for the community...regardless of your stance on guns. Makes me sad. I want my members to come and work out and be able to forget about all the BS political crap for a few precious minutes.

Jeff Railsback 07-18-2016 03:52 PM

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[QUOTE=Brad Gerbrandt;1263974]The winners could always sell their gun in the parking lot afterwards![/QUOTE]

And probably over market value if they get a picture and a story to tell.


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