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Matt Thomas 02-22-2014 08:21 AM

Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM
 
[url]http://www.acsm.org/docs/brochures/selecting-and-effectively-using-hydration-for-fitness.pdf[/url] (wfs)

Well it seems like now the ACSM recommends 3-8 ounces every 15-20 minutes when exercising for over an hour and specifically warns against over hydration.

Darrell E. White 02-22-2014 11:37 AM

Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM
 
Hi Lynne,

Got Waterlogged on my iPad after Coach tipped me off to Noakes work, but agree with others who find hard copy helpful. I'd love to have one. Thanks.

Gonna be fun when this hits outside the CrossFit living room, eh?

--bingo

Kirez Reynolds 02-22-2014 12:10 PM

Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM
 
Lynne, I would like a copy of Waterlogged. Thank you!

Dakota Base 02-22-2014 12:29 PM

Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM
 
[QUOTE=Russell Greene;1220433]Dakota,

As best I can tell, your disagreement is not factual but personal. Gatorade's promotion of flawed hydration science and the deaths and sickness that followed do not bother you.

While I disagree, I doubt there's a logical means by which I can convince you to care about deaths from over-drinking.[/QUOTE]

In the same form of "Coach's" response thread, you've retorted with insulting my intelligence and capacity for understanding.

While deaths from faulty data are tragic, I don't think the format in which you're fighting this "war" is productive, or ethical. Coach's arguement here is passing off that the ACSM/Gatorade are STILL promoting hyperhydration, which just isn't true.

I don't care who does the research, and have no personal interest in Gatorade, Crossfit, Coach, yourself, the ACSM, or any other dog in this fight. What I DO, however, find insulting to the intelligence of these readers, is that you'll come in and propose that the ACSM is guilty of ignoring evidence, when Matt Thomas produced evidence that the ACSM published information A YEAR PRIOR TO DR. NOAKES publication of "Waterlogged" that retracted and updated its previous stance. Comparing the "best information at hand" that a research group published 30yrs ago to "the best information at hand" today, and seeing a discrepancy like this suggests to me that they've made an effort to correct a past mistake.

Sure, maybe I'm not aware of other injustices that the ACSM has made to lie to the public, but this is not one of them. However, you are lying by implying that they ARE intentionally misleading the public into over-drinking.

I don't care which side wins, as long as the true science reaches the people that need it. But for your arguement aimed at taking down Gatorade and dethroning the ACSM, find a new arguement, because the battle of over-hydration recommendations is lost.

[QUOTE=Russell Greene;1220433]I can only ask you this:

Knowing that the ACSM has promoted flawed hydration science, funded by Gatorade, that led to the deaths of at least a dozen and thousands of cases of hyponatremia, do you think the ACSM should continue to enjoy its place of authority in American exercise science?

Having committed such a base error, on what basis can the ACSM justify its continued existence?[/QUOTE]

There may be (debatably ARE) other things that might cause me to villify the ACSM/Gatorade, but publishing "best information at hand", then retracting it and updating it when new "best information at hand" becomes available, No, I'm not going to hold that agaisnt them.

As I mentioned before, I recognize that products generate revenue, and research costs money, so by default, research will ALWAYS be funded by corporations like Gatorade, that have vested interests in the outcome of testing. If it's not Gatorade, then it'll be one of their competitors. I can say with confidence that it won't be a private, non-profitting organization.

Darby Lee Darrow 02-22-2014 01:43 PM

Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM
 
Lynne,

I would be interested in the book if you still have one to spare.

Christopher Morris 02-22-2014 06:22 PM

Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM
 
[QUOTE=Brad Allen Jones;1220444]Despite what many think, intravenous fluids are inferior to oral fluids in terms if hydration...by a lot. Not knocking what you said (although there could be flaws due to the fact that IVs already don't work that well), just wanted to point that out to some who might think IV is better.[/QUOTE]

When I was in Iraq the medics would say, "Hey, I'm thirsty. Want to practice IV sticks?" and they would stick each other and take a liter of fluids. :yikes:

I was all, "Why not just drink a water bottle?" It's great that the medics wanted to hone their skills, but a water bottle is a less painful way to get hydrated.

Sean Rockett 02-22-2014 06:49 PM

Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM
 
Yes I believe over hydration is bad. I just want to make sure that people don't get afraid to hydrate and the pendulum does not swing too far after reading these posts, because yes there are times when renal failure can be prevented as well as heat stroke with fluid and intravenous fluid also. Sean

Michael Wuest 02-22-2014 07:58 PM

Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM
 
Hi Lynne, I would appreciate a copy of the book, if there are any more available.

Thanks!

Jason David 02-22-2014 08:09 PM

Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM
 
I always felt that people drink when they're thirsty and didn't need help to decide when to do so.

I'd also love a copy of the book Lynne.

Kevin Keast 02-22-2014 08:30 PM

Re: Exercise Associated Hyponatremic Encephalopathy, Gatorade and the ACSM
 
I'm interested in a copy of the book!


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