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John Stone 07-08-2010 02:39 PM

What is the functionality of kipping
 
I am just not seeing what it's function is, other than to mask weakness during timed exercises.

Strict pullups develop strength, will raise your heart-rate, et cetera

Kipping will raise your heart rate, but require much less strength development, and are more stressful on the shoulder joints?

I have trouble doing more than 5-8 strict without a break, but I can knock 21 down with kipping. It feels like a "cheat" to me, like something I'd use in place of band assistance until I get strong enough to do "real" pullups.

Which makes me wonder why kipping seems to be SOP, instead of a tool to get to the final form of the exercise. Am I missing something big here?

Jamie J. Skibicki 07-08-2010 02:55 PM

Re: What is the functionality of kipping
 
Are push presses cheating?

Max Chianese 07-08-2010 03:19 PM

Re: What is the functionality of kipping
 
I'm not qualified to answer this but I'm pretty sure doing strict pull ups does notactivate your core muscle(abdomen) but kipping does.
I'm the opposite I can do 20 dead hang pull ups but a lot of kipping like when subbing for muscle ups gives me trouble.

Cody Bradford 07-08-2010 04:14 PM

Re: What is the functionality of kipping
 
I'm currently rehabing a rotator cuff and my physio therapist asked the same question, which made me wonder the same thing. I finally told her this: If you were to watch someone doing seated lat rows on a pin select machine and then watched someone on a rowing machine, it would look like the person grunting away on the C2 was cheating horribly. They're leaning way back and bending their knees, using momentum to carry the pull through from their quads to their back muscles, but obviously it's a different workout with a different focus. Kipping pullups were really difficult for me to begin with, but in a completely different way than strict pullups are. The coordination of all the various muscle groups took some time for me to develop, similar to learning the clean or the snatch. That's my two bits.

Wayne Riddle 07-08-2010 04:15 PM

Re: What is the functionality of kipping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Stone (Post 808307)
Which makes me wonder why kipping seems to be SOP, instead of a tool to get to the final form of the exercise. Am I missing something big here?

Myself I would suggest not doing kipping pull-ups if you can't do dead hang pull-ups. So I wouldn't see them as a way to the final form.

Different exercises for different reasons. Don't have to do kipping if yo don't want to do them.

Pearse Shields 07-08-2010 04:26 PM

Re: What is the functionality of kipping
 
If you've ever tried to muscle-up on a bar, you'd find that a kip is extremely helpful. That's why I do kips, so that when I'm out doing parkour, if I want to get on top of a bar, it's a much easier task than trying to do a strict muscle-up. With that being said, however, I am working towards a strict muscle-up, without any swing.

Jason Martin 07-08-2010 04:31 PM

Re: What is the functionality of kipping
 
If they are different exercises why does the main site not differentiate when it posts WOD's with "pull-ups"?

I can't imagine coach would say "seated lat-rows" and expect everyone to do C2 machines. Same for "push-press" and "Shoulder Press" . Or any number of exercises where there is variation in form.

Brian Bedell 07-08-2010 04:33 PM

Re: What is the functionality of kipping
 
Could you guys please "search" this, it's been discussed ad nauseum.
In a nutshell for you...a kip pullup and a dead hang pullup are two different exercises. The kip is used for it's MC effect and hip thrust (there ya' go Jaimie) which is obviously functional for many sports. Your strict deadhang is your bw strength movement. A kip is NOT a cheating strict pullup; its a different exercise..

Jamie J. Skibicki 07-08-2010 05:03 PM

Re: What is the functionality of kipping
 
The reason MP doesn't differentiate between strict and kipping (usually) is that 21 pull ups isn't a strength workout anymore, it's metcon.

Joe Mercurio 07-08-2010 05:04 PM

Re: What is the functionality of kipping
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Martin (Post 808368)
If they are different exercises why does the main site not differentiate when it posts WOD's with "pull-ups"?

It does. See "SATURDAY 100626" still accessible on the current mainpage


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