Metobolic diet - Page 17

Frank M Needham · 10-07-2006, 03:47 PM

For me it is simple - function. I've gotten results with it and have very little difficulty adhering to it. Not so with other methods. As stated above I have very little problem controlling my appetite even while working out and energy levels remain high. It seems my system really likes the fat/protein level consumed each day. Also have had no adverse effects, er, internally. This is the best I've felt in quite some time and I'm excited to see what the future holds. If it gets better, and I suspect it will, wow...really nice to think of the possibilities. The main challenge for me over the long haul may be how to dream up different things/ways to eat by the MD method.

Michael Hill · 10-08-2006, 03:37 PM

Chris,

I don't know if the heightened caffine sensitivity is due to the MD alone, but I had a very similar effect after I began IF for a month or so. For what it is worth, shortly after I began doing IF I lowered my carb intake to around 80-100 grams a day. I do this consistently and do not carb load, however I think that lower carb diets elicit a stronger hormonal response in general and as such the adrenal response to caffine is heightened. Pair this with IF and you get a noticable difference.

My BP numbers were similar, went from 110-115/65-70 to 130-140/70 or so. I asked a Dr. friend about this and he said that if a person is relatively fit, a similar change (isolated elevation of the systolic BP) is seen in persons with anxiety or over-reaching/training. These are all rooted in a overstimulation of the adrenal system.

Kevin McKay · 10-09-2006, 03:20 PM

So here is my new paleo clc if game plan

4 meals a day

1 tbs fish oil Daily
protein size of palm of hand Every meal
non starchy veggies unlimited Every meal
nuts small hand full or 1 tbs oil Every meal
max 20 gram carb from fruit/starchy veg per meal weekday
max 40 gram carb from fruit/starchy veg per meal weekend
No food Wednesdays
Don't eat after 6pm except post workout everyday

only grass fed/free range meats
no grain or grain products
no refined or processed anything
no legumes
no sugars
no juice
no dairy
no salt

All comments appreciated

Kevin McKay · 10-10-2006, 04:10 PM

Is carb cycling between 40-80 grams carb on the weekday and 80-120 on the weekend yield any benefit or should I just do 40-80 all the time?

Thanks

Frank M Needham · 10-13-2006, 02:42 PM

I did the obvious and bought Mauro's e-book. Great read and a great roadmap to follow, for those who are interested. Lots of technical info to fill in the gaps from info I picked up on this thread and the t-nation one. The book says 30gr/day, as a guideline, and basically whatever you want on the weekend. He stresses that the numbers are a guideline.

Ryan Kirk · 10-15-2006, 11:28 AM

I am thinking of implementing this on a 3/1 schedule following the WOD. Is anyone else doing this?

My plan:
• Follow 3/1 cycle of WOD
• 3 days of IF with less than 30g CHO with 5, 4 block meals (20 blocks).
• 1 day of GOOD carb meals. AT LEAST 5, 4 block meals (20+ blocks).
• Supplement 3 meals/day w/ Fish Oil
• Take ZMA before bed
• PROT days are for IF meaning most meals compressed into 8-10 hours. Shoot for 14-16 hour fast these days. CHO days are free to load all day.

Rob McBee · 10-16-2006, 03:33 PM

Ryan,

Your plan is about identical to what I'm doing. Tracking the carb-up to the WOD cycle makes it easier to plan and follow IMO. If I get things too random I end up going totally off the reservation eventually. How is the ZMA working? Do you notice better sleep? I've been thinking about adding ZMA. All I take supplement wise is vit/min, fish oil, probiotics.

Ryan Kirk · 10-17-2006, 03:58 AM

Hey Rob,
The ZMA seems to have an effect on sleep in a good way. Without it I wake up "amped" on the nights following the high protein days.

Other personal observations (5/2 for 2 weeks now):
I am more caffeine sensitive on protein days - it takes less to get the beloved buzz. On carb loading days I have felt like I have more energy for sports than usual - like I am powered by rocket fuel (as some others have observed). Before this I was following strict paleo/zone with 1/2 carb blocks so essentially low carb.

Craig Cooper · 10-19-2006, 07:30 AM

Jonathon, you have great insight. I've been having trouble sleeping lately (if I think about it hard enough I think it correlates with starting IF), and I think it might be because I finish eating too early in the day. Starting next week I'm going to switch my fast to the morning to see if that improves my sleep. I've also had frequent episodes of ravenous hunger late in the pm, which might also be explained by the IF too early. I love this thread!

Jonathon Edward · 10-20-2006, 05:48 AM

Craig - For me, switching the fast to the a.m. made a huge difference in the quality of my sleep. When I was fasting in the evening, my ability to get to and stay asleep was near zero. Now that I fast throughout the a.m. (and sometimes early p.m.) my sleep is actually a lot better than when I started IF! Fasting in the a.m. also seems to boost my energy and mental acuity. IHMO, this schedule seems to fit better with ancestral patterns; I presume that the largest intake of food would be consumed later in the day after hunting&gathering had taken place.

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10-07-2006, 03:47 PM	#161
Frank M Needham Member Profile: Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 440	For me it is simple - function. I've gotten results with it and have very little difficulty adhering to it. Not so with other methods. As stated above I have very little problem controlling my appetite even while working out and energy levels remain high. It seems my system really likes the fat/protein level consumed each day. Also have had no adverse effects, er, internally. This is the best I've felt in quite some time and I'm excited to see what the future holds. If it gets better, and I suspect it will, wow...really nice to think of the possibilities. The main challenge for me over the long haul may be how to dream up different things/ways to eat by the MD method.

10-08-2006, 03:37 PM	#162
Michael Hill Member Profile: Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 76	Chris, I don't know if the heightened caffine sensitivity is due to the MD alone, but I had a very similar effect after I began IF for a month or so. For what it is worth, shortly after I began doing IF I lowered my carb intake to around 80-100 grams a day. I do this consistently and do not carb load, however I think that lower carb diets elicit a stronger hormonal response in general and as such the adrenal response to caffine is heightened. Pair this with IF and you get a noticable difference. My BP numbers were similar, went from 110-115/65-70 to 130-140/70 or so. I asked a Dr. friend about this and he said that if a person is relatively fit, a similar change (isolated elevation of the systolic BP) is seen in persons with anxiety or over-reaching/training. These are all rooted in a overstimulation of the adrenal system.

10-09-2006, 03:20 PM	#163
Kevin McKay Member Profile: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: albany ca Posts: 1,110	So here is my new paleo clc if game plan 4 meals a day 1 tbs fish oil Daily protein size of palm of hand Every meal non starchy veggies unlimited Every meal nuts small hand full or 1 tbs oil Every meal max 20 gram carb from fruit/starchy veg per meal weekday max 40 gram carb from fruit/starchy veg per meal weekend No food Wednesdays Don't eat after 6pm except post workout everyday only grass fed/free range meats no grain or grain products no refined or processed anything no legumes no sugars no juice no dairy no salt All comments appreciated

10-10-2006, 04:10 PM	#164
Kevin McKay Member Profile: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: albany ca Posts: 1,110	Is carb cycling between 40-80 grams carb on the weekday and 80-120 on the weekend yield any benefit or should I just do 40-80 all the time? Thanks

10-13-2006, 02:42 PM	#165
Frank M Needham Member Profile: Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 440	I did the obvious and bought Mauro's e-book. Great read and a great roadmap to follow, for those who are interested. Lots of technical info to fill in the gaps from info I picked up on this thread and the t-nation one. The book says 30gr/day, as a guideline, and basically whatever you want on the weekend. He stresses that the numbers are a guideline.

10-15-2006, 11:28 AM	#166
Ryan Kirk Member Profile: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Denver CO Posts: 48	I am thinking of implementing this on a 3/1 schedule following the WOD. Is anyone else doing this? My plan: • Follow 3/1 cycle of WOD • 3 days of IF with less than 30g CHO with 5, 4 block meals (20 blocks). • 1 day of GOOD carb meals. AT LEAST 5, 4 block meals (20+ blocks). • Supplement 3 meals/day w/ Fish Oil • Take ZMA before bed • PROT days are for IF meaning most meals compressed into 8-10 hours. Shoot for 14-16 hour fast these days. CHO days are free to load all day.

10-16-2006, 03:33 PM	#167
Rob McBee Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Portland OR Posts: 396	Ryan, Your plan is about identical to what I'm doing. Tracking the carb-up to the WOD cycle makes it easier to plan and follow IMO. If I get things too random I end up going totally off the reservation eventually. How is the ZMA working? Do you notice better sleep? I've been thinking about adding ZMA. All I take supplement wise is vit/min, fish oil, probiotics.

10-17-2006, 03:58 AM	#168
Ryan Kirk Member Profile: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Denver CO Posts: 48	Hey Rob, The ZMA seems to have an effect on sleep in a good way. Without it I wake up "amped" on the nights following the high protein days. Other personal observations (5/2 for 2 weeks now): I am more caffeine sensitive on protein days - it takes less to get the beloved buzz. On carb loading days I have felt like I have more energy for sports than usual - like I am powered by rocket fuel (as some others have observed). Before this I was following strict paleo/zone with 1/2 carb blocks so essentially low carb.

10-19-2006, 07:30 AM	#169
Craig Cooper Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 69	Jonathon, you have great insight. I've been having trouble sleeping lately (if I think about it hard enough I think it correlates with starting IF), and I think it might be because I finish eating too early in the day. Starting next week I'm going to switch my fast to the morning to see if that improves my sleep. I've also had frequent episodes of ravenous hunger late in the pm, which might also be explained by the IF too early. I love this thread!

10-20-2006, 05:48 AM	#170
Jonathon Edward Member Profile: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 288	Craig - For me, switching the fast to the a.m. made a huge difference in the quality of my sleep. When I was fasting in the evening, my ability to get to and stay asleep was near zero. Now that I fast throughout the a.m. (and sometimes early p.m.) my sleep is actually a lot better than when I started IF! Fasting in the a.m. also seems to boost my energy and mental acuity. IHMO, this schedule seems to fit better with ancestral patterns; I presume that the largest intake of food would be consumed later in the day after hunting&gathering had taken place.