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Old 05-20-2014, 04:04 AM   #11
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Re: Regional Competitor - "CF is not a Sport"

Cant believe people complain over judges...just look at soccer, world championships are won/lost because of unfair judges.

The only way to solve this is to introduce technology, something like a hawk eye in tennis, but that might ruin the CF dynamics.

So not much can be done about it, its the human factor, but real champs will always rise on top, no matter what.
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Old 05-20-2014, 04:42 AM   #12
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Re: Regional Competitor - "CF is not a Sport"

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As we saw in the case of Tovar that only did 40 box jumps or Emily Deet that only did 40 Deadlifts or in the case of Danielle Sidell that had a very questionable 3rd attempt in the Snatch even, inexperienced judging can really have a negative effect. just my opinion but i think it would make more sense to have people with a lot of judging experience judge the athletes that have a legitimate chance of making it to the games. just like you only see the most experienced referees in the big sporting events in other sports.
I agree. Which is why I think HQ should have a staff of paid judges for Regionals and the Games. Pay for some training, make them take more than just a $10 online test, and make sure they are good at what they do.
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Old 05-20-2014, 05:56 AM   #13
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Re: Regional Competitor - "CF is not a Sport"

I have been talking a lot to a couple of regionals judges, and there is a lot more rigor to being selected than just passing an online test. You have to have a level 1 cert and also have to have significant prior judging experience one thing they look heavily at is how many video submissions you judge during the open, which is something that they can review easily to see if you scored right. Then when you get there, the judge briefings each day are extensive - about 2 hours. Is it perfect? No. Is it a lot better than people give credit for? Absolutely.
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Old 05-20-2014, 07:02 AM   #14
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Re: Regional Competitor - "CF is not a Sport"

With the racial slurs coming from judges themselves it's a bit obvious that this wasn't simply a case of bad judges. I officiated ice hockey for over 10 years and did work some of the minor leagues and I can tell you that IF I wanted to attempt sway the results, it's not that hard. In this type of event/sport it would be even more easy.

The bigger picture to paying the judges is claiming it on your federal taxes, and HQ would have to pay "consultants" for this judging and the money would get taxed. This is a HUGE PITA and I understand them not wanting to. That's just in the US, think of all the countries they operate these in, and then multiply it out by having to figure it out that many times over.

As for being called a gringo, he needs to get over that. I been called that more times than I can even count. It's not as bad as being called a cracker I don't think, which I have also been called plenty of times in my life.
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Old 05-20-2014, 12:00 PM   #15
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With the racial slurs coming from judges themselves it's a bit obvious that this wasn't simply a case of bad judges. I officiated ice hockey for over 10 years and did work some of the minor leagues and I can tell you that IF I wanted to attempt sway the results, it's not that hard. In this type of event/sport it would be even more easy.

The bigger picture to paying the judges is claiming it on your federal taxes, and HQ would have to pay "consultants" for this judging and the money would get taxed. This is a HUGE PITA and I understand them not wanting to. That's just in the US, think of all the countries they operate these in, and then multiply it out by having to figure it out that many times over.

As for being called a gringo, he needs to get over that. I been called that more times than I can even count. It's not as bad as being called a cracker I don't think, which I have also been called plenty of times in my life.
And Glassman has been VERY clear about his political ideologies.... don't think he's a fan of taxes.
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Old 05-20-2014, 02:27 PM   #16
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Re: Regional Competitor - "CF is not a Sport"

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Cant believe people complain over judges...just look at soccer, world championships are won/lost because of unfair judges.

The only way to solve this is to introduce technology, something like a hawk eye in tennis, but that might ruin the CF dynamics.

So not much can be done about it, its the human factor, but real champs will always rise on top, no matter what.

There is a difference between 'unfair' judges and 'poor quality' judges. Unfair can be a judge who literally WANTS someone to lose. A judge who just doesn't have the experience can accidentally cause someone to lose (or win). The examples of athletes doing 40 reps instead of 50 are poor quality. Someone intentionally no repping (perhaps in Leo Jenkins case) is an 'unfair' judge.
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Old 05-21-2014, 05:23 AM   #17
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Re: Regional Competitor - "CF is not a Sport"

Do they not have to take exams like in the IPF and IWF?

another thing they could do as well, this would take better planning in terms of space, is have 2 judges per athlete watching them at all times.

the IPF uses 3 judges per lifter, to try to lower the amounts of bad calls, and because you can't always judge properly from a certain angle. I know it would be harder for Crossfit to do this, being that there is more movement and it can be quite dynamic, but I think it would be something to look at.
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Old 05-21-2014, 05:36 AM   #18
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Do they not have to take exams like in the IPF and IWF?

another thing they could do as well, this would take better planning in terms of space, is have 2 judges per athlete watching them at all times.

the IPF uses 3 judges per lifter, to try to lower the amounts of bad calls, and because you can't always judge properly from a certain angle. I know it would be harder for Crossfit to do this, being that there is more movement and it can be quite dynamic, but I think it would be something to look at.
Just imagine the confusion in the middle of a fast movement like hang power cleans or pullups, if one judge calls a no rep and the others don't. The athlete and most certainly the judges couldn't keep count.
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Old 05-21-2014, 05:53 AM   #19
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Re: Regional Competitor - "CF is not a Sport"

Like in a any subjectively judged sport (especially volunteer officials), there will always be mistakes made.

If you cannot live with that, you may need to find another sport. Didn't watch Leo compete, but read his article. A lot of it sounded like sour grapes after a disappointing finish. I am also sure there was some truth to him being singled out, but that is more cultural to people from Latin America maybe not so happy he relocated down there and thinking he would stomp all over the competition. I am sure there were a few people who didn't like it. As far as a I know they are all still allowed to have their own opinion on the situation.
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Old 05-21-2014, 06:15 AM   #20
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Re: Regional Competitor - "CF is not a Sport"

Funny how you seldom hear the top competitors that are there year in year out competing in the toughest regions complain about the judging.

Yes there is human error. If you are good enough you will survive a few unjust no reps. It's part of the game.
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