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Old 01-11-2004, 12:07 PM   #21
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POSTED BY ROBERT: "Humans are not grazers...but we are foragers. Frequent small feedings with sporadic overfeeding and fasting describes the eating of HG's. Just something to keep in mind.
Robb"

Your right in what you say, HOWEVER, humans are also not supposed to be bench pressing 315 lbs, running 26 miles nonstop, or anything of that nature. I have really bulked myself up from what i used to be and i can tell you right now any restricted calorie diet just isnt gonna do it unless of course you have nice genetics. It all comes down to your genes I have learned.
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Old 01-11-2004, 04:06 PM   #22
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Dustin, although not someone to restrict calories all that much myself, I think you'd feel humbled by the performances put out by some of the "undereaters" around here.

And yes, they too can look scary.:wink:
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Old 01-11-2004, 04:09 PM   #23
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Dustin,

I don't see how gentic limitations has anything to do with this thread, however the facts that humans do these things does mean humans are capable of these things. Am I not right. There are many humans who without the aid of drugs can bench 315 (I haven't used drugs and have a PR of 265). I know a man who doesn't even watch his diet (but is in good shape), and regularly runs 20 mile plus marathons. Are they "supposed" to do these things, maybe not, but then again humans aren't "supposed" to be watching what they eat, are lifting weights at all for that matter. Where "supposed" to be trying to be sucessful organisms or depending on your religion, trying to fullfill some purpose.

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Old 01-11-2004, 04:37 PM   #24
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unfortunately JD genetics has EVERYTHING to do with building muscle. i know kids who eat twice a day and gain muscle on top of muscle on top of muscle.. i eat about 6 times a day and take in around 4000 calories which is about 1000 over maintenance for me and i gain decently but nowhere near some of the others.. one of my other friends eats about 800 over maintenance and coudlnt build if his life depended on it. its just like volume.. some people can do 20 sets of biceps and make them grow.. others like myself do 1-2 sets and thats about all that my bi's can take without overtraining (stacked with the fact im doin a lat workout with them).. dont get me wrong, im not saying a person cant be fit, because neural adaptation as well as muscle fiber adaptation (slow to fast twitch conversion) plays a huge part in strength.
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Old 01-11-2004, 08:53 PM   #25
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Dustin, as far as building muscle and training "Bi's" goes, you might as well be posting on bodybuilding.com.

Did you read Crossfit's free "What is Fitness" journal yet? If not, it may give you a new view on things, especially bodybuilding, as it did for me anyway. The majority of us here are more into athleticism and functional fitness rather than fashion. Genes have their role in all physical/muscle building potential, but they certainly do not decide EVERYTHING. Training and nutrition are big ones. So is lifestyle(i.e. partying, stress level, sleep, etc.)

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Old 01-12-2004, 06:35 PM   #26
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Dustin,

I probably shouldn't say this, but I've had a couple of drinks and a tough day, so I'm going to anyway: assuming you actually are going to "Q", there is probably a SF instructor out there with a sh** eating grin on his face. Being spooky by nature, most of those guys don't comment that much (the real ones), but I have a strong suspicion they read this forum. I get the strong feeling that you don't know what you don't know.

There is no question that you are to be commended strongly for your success in bulking up. It looks like you are in great condition--low body fat, good muscle tone. You are also to be strongly commended for making a committment to an exceedingly difficult unit, and since you will have a good chance of being in combat, for your willingness to risk your life for your country.

Having said that, I think it worthwhile to point out that there are some serious BADASSES on this website. I'm not one of them, and most of them don't post most of the time, but you've got guys that climb mountains, ice flow, rock walls; that served long periods of time in the SEALS, SF, Marine Recon, etc, and that only care about what you can DO, not how you look.

This is a very inclusive community, and I personally have always preferred large egos to mice, so please keep posting. Do some more WOD's, though.

That's my piece.
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Old 01-12-2004, 07:33 PM   #27
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Dustin-

Welcome! It is interesting to note that many of the athletes on this forum attain both their function and form from a moderately caloricly restricted diet. Look up caloric restriction in the archives.

A key point which I believe was overlooked is that this intermittant fasting necessitates eating AS MUCH as one would have done without the fast. The way I outlined the IF has worked well for me and I am a classic "hard gainer".

What I am trying to accomplish here is optimize: athletic performance, health, and longevity. From this I am pretty confident my aesthetics will be taken care of!

Robb
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Old 01-15-2004, 06:55 PM   #28
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Dustin,

Cool to have you on board. And it's always nice when people stir things up. That said, I must echo the previous statements regarding form following function, etc.

Why "bulk up"? If it is the natural outgrowth of hard training and good nutrition, all good. If it is the goal of your training, you are bodybuilding, period.

I have not had a couple drinks, yet, today, but I will also throw a single jab: Why are your legs not on the same prominent display as your upper body?

John
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