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Old 04-16-2012, 10:20 AM   #1
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What makes a scaled team scaled?

In competitions that feature an RX division as well as a scaled, what is to stop some ringers or VERY experienced athletes from competing in the scaled competition and stealing the top prizes?

The root of the question is how you define a scaled team. In some competitions, there have been "scaled" teams where most or all of the members are more than capable of completing most WODs as RX, and are easily scooping up places on the podium away from the teams that are truly scaled.

It just screams injustice, but, like pornography, defining what scaled means is tricky...

Anyone have thoughts on this?
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Old 04-16-2012, 10:36 AM   #2
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Re: What makes a scaled team scaled?

generally, there are no "top prizes" for the scaled teams/athletes.
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Old 04-16-2012, 10:37 AM   #3
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Re: What makes a scaled team scaled?

There are two ways to reduce the risk of this happening.

One is to declare that an athlete who has competed as RXed at any time in the last [time frame] is not eligible for the scaled competition. Or that an athlete who has placed above [level] in the Crossfit Open cannot compete scaled. Or both. This would be easy to enforce if Crossfit had a national-level ranking system, but we don't.

The other is to make the scaled prizes significantly smaller than the Rxed prizes.

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Old 04-16-2012, 10:51 AM   #4
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Re: What makes a scaled team scaled?

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generally, there are no "top prizes" for the scaled teams/athletes.
Sure, the scaled "top prize" may not be nearly as big, but think of it from the position of someone competing in the scaled division, and is likely new to competition. You don't think they are just there for the hell of it, do you? I mean, if they signed up and paid an entrance fee, there has to be some competitiveness that exists.

Even if the "prize" isn't as big or even offered, having a chance at the podium still matters, and when a team of Rx athletes comes in and doesn't even make it a contest, its not right.

I'm really just looking for a solution to ensure fair competition...
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Old 04-16-2012, 10:58 AM   #5
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Re: What makes a scaled team scaled?

I look at it like this:
If you know you are an "as Rx" person, do you really want to compete for the "Scaled" trophy? If so, have at it hoss...
I just don't really see this as being a problem that we need to worry about.
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Old 04-16-2012, 11:02 AM   #6
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Re: What makes a scaled team scaled?

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I look at it like this:
If you know you are an "as Rx" person, do you really want to compete for the "Scaled" trophy? If so, have at it hoss...
I just don't really see this as being a problem that we need to worry about.
Yeah, perhaps the best solution is mockery and peer pressure.

"Oh, you won the scaled division? A firebreather like you? Didn't think you could cut it Rxed? Coward."

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Old 04-16-2012, 11:16 AM   #7
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Re: What makes a scaled team scaled?

Usually local competitions here, a list of exercises (and weights where applicable) goes out before the competition, that says if you can't complete these things as written RX, you should enter as scaled - from there it is the honor system. Other than that, I think the last competition, other than the recognition on the podium there was no prize for the scaled teams. We haven't really had any problems that I've seen with people who should have clearly been competing RX doing scaled instead.
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Old 04-17-2012, 03:50 PM   #8
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Re: What makes a scaled team scaled?

why does this thread remind of the Southpark episode where Cartman decides to compete in the Special Olympics?

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Old 04-17-2012, 05:05 PM   #9
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Re: What makes a scaled team scaled?

I think it is now and continues to be an honor system. And, up to the organizers of the event as to how they will make the determination, if any, taht someone should have done RXd.

Some athletes might be on the bubble. Take for example, a competition where the competition features muscle ups. Say there is an otherwise really solid and competitive athlete who just doesn't quite have muscle ups yet. But if they choose the scaled division, they will likely destroy all of the weekend warriors that are participating and want to at least have a shot.

What do? I know of a guy who was in that very same boat and who made a call to the organizers and said "look...". He ended up going RX'd because it was the right thing to do. And came in about where he should have come in, considering his overall abilities in the RXd division.
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Old 04-23-2012, 06:38 PM   #10
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Re: What makes a scaled team scaled?

Fittest games in Austin has it that if you have made regionals you have to compete in the pro division. Otherwise you can try the pro or do the amateur. Big difference though so most non-regional guys don't go pro
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