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Old 07-03-2010, 06:33 PM   #21
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Re: 2010 Games Average Competitor

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469? No way bro. Guys at 75 kilos are pulling 600+ in raw competitions.



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I was going through the "format the cell" options and that popped up and sounded about right, I am sorry if it's wrong.
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Old 07-03-2010, 07:02 PM   #22
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Re: 2010 Games Average Competitor

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469? No way bro. Guys at 75 kilos are pulling 600+ in raw competitions.
Wasn't so much talking about the average, but there are quite a few guys who can pull over 500. And yes, some guys in the 75 class are pulling over 600, but usually they're the ones winning the whole thing.

I went through some of the results of recent meets here:
http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/4405 (wfs)
There's only a couple guys in each meeting pulling 600 or more.
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Old 07-03-2010, 07:25 PM   #23
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Re: 2010 Games Average Competitor

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I agree, except for the deadlifts, which aren't too bad in the context of powerlifting.
The average guy is 188 pounds with a 469 deadlift. Rhaea Fowler is 165 pounds with a 453 pound deadlift ... and she is only 19 years old.

Just sayin ...
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:18 AM   #24
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Re: 2010 Games Average Competitor

now i have my goals for determining if im gonna compete in sectionals 2011, and everyone of those stats is reachable for me within the next year
thanks for making my day man...
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Old 07-04-2010, 12:25 AM   #25
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Re: 2010 Games Average Competitor

Andrew,
I was just checking since I scrolled through the competitors list and few of them seemed to be below or at 5'7''. Most guys seemed to be closed to 6'. But hey I might be wrong. Scrolling mental math != Excel's power :P.

Chris,
You are right that I was being unfair by comparing current CF 'top athletes' to 'specialists.' But, note that I was giving them a bit of slack by comparing them to a specialist from 110 years ago (Usain Bolt is over 10% faster then that number) and girls/women in highschool in North America (I would hope our fittest men can give them a run for their money).

Anyways, all I really wanted to highlight was the deficiency in speed between average athletes in speed events (note that sub 1min 400m times are nothing special in T&F in highschool) and what WE consider the fittest man in the world. In my opinion, CF main page WODs lack a lot of training in areas which challenge people's top speed abilities (i.e: events <= 400m) which is, again in my opinion, an important aspect of GPP. Although, something like CFFB which is aimed at power athletes does train this component of athleticism.

While I may be slightly biased by having sprinted in highschool, it is my opinion that giving someone who may be 'slow' the title of fittest man in the world is a little bogus. In my mind, I don't see myself chasing down super-athletes like Miko or Spealer (Khalipa gets a break because of his size but still, lots of NFl guys his weight can burn me). So I think they should be able to outrun me even though I'm considered 'quick' by Canadian standards (what is probably quite sub-par in the US with respect to 'quick' athletes).

Sorry that this seems like a little personal rant, but it's my reflection on the CF mentality which lacks an emphasis on outright speed of 'athletes' (an aspect which is reflected in the stats of its top competitors).

P.S: Although I've sprinted, I've also competed in: skiing, rugby, soccer, basketball and volleyball as well as participated/practiced a lot of other sports. So I've had a little taste of everything which makes me believe that speed is an important aspect in sports.

P.P.S: Powerlifting squats are far from the 'Rip' style squats CF emphasizes so comparing numbers is not so relevant. If the DLs are close them maybe that hints at something .
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Old 07-04-2010, 08:13 AM   #26
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Re: 2010 Games Average Competitor

Sorry Chris, didn't mean to come off that way. I didn't intend to compare them to track specialists any more than powerlifting, or olympic lifting specialists.

I'll use myself as an example. I was running 52-53 seconds at 15 years old, but could also bench over 200 the first time I stepped into a weight room and squat close to 300 (at 150lbs soaking wet). I know that may not be normal for a skinny little 15 year old. But my point is that what the top CF guys are doing is far from normal and much more impressive than a highschool kid winning provincial or state titles, and I would expect them to be able to keep up with 400m times that would be considered pedestrian by many highschoolers. (55 sec) My argument is that I think they're actually faster than these numbers are giving them credit for.

I don't think its something that any of the guys contest regularly (if ever), so it seems funny to use it as a parameter to measure the athletes against one another. I would bet all these guys with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 would go under 60 seconds - most of them comfortably.
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Old 07-04-2010, 08:41 AM   #27
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Re: 2010 Games Average Competitor

I appreciate the statistical work. It reminds me how far I have to go to compete in the Games.
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Old 07-04-2010, 10:12 AM   #28
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Re: 2010 Games Average Competitor

Are you sure the average height is 5'7.5" as Moe Kelsey is listed as only 6 inches tall which could of taken your average height down quite a lot
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Old 07-04-2010, 06:38 PM   #29
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Re: 2010 Games Average Competitor

Oh Andrew! you know eventually the bigger guys will prevail as strength becomes the dominant theme. You see ex NFL players gravitating everyday to CrossFit. Soon alot of Tier 1 athletes will be jumping on board. Just a matter of time IMHO. Games are gonna be great though
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Old 07-05-2010, 02:06 AM   #30
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Re: 2010 Games Average Competitor

I was also struck by the less-than-impressive strength numbers--they are pretty much what you could take an average Jane or Joe off the street to get to with a few years of lifting under their belt, if not even higher numbers. I guess I would hope that the "fittest person on the Earth" would be held to a higher standard than that. Emphasis in the competitors' training is still solidly metcon metcon metcon.
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