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Old 05-05-2010, 02:17 PM   #31
Tony Blanksteen
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Re: ANOTHER POLL- power clean ratio/deadlift

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Mine is about 56% PC to Deadlift.

OK, so it looks like CFers have a clean about 50-60% of their deadlift. NOW I want to know what the ratio is for specialized olympic lifers. Anyone have numbers?
We dont really deadlift...
We do pulls.
We dont max-out on pulls. That would be silly.

As it has been mentioned, the most important factor in lifting is arguably speed and positions. While heavy dead-lifts may help with positions, it hurts speed big time.

Some olympic lifting coaches don't even recommend heavy pulls because the speed element changes. Any breaking down of form must still relate movement wise to the clean or snatch. Some coaches hate ratios period.

With that said, I'm sure there are crazy stories about what athletes can do. But a true specialist wouldn't really do DL unless it was just for fun after a meet.

In a true bulgarian system, I'm not even sure pulls exist

I for instance I have no idea what I can deadlift. I've never done it.
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Old 05-06-2010, 10:44 PM   #32
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Re: ANOTHER POLL- power clean ratio/deadlift

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We dont really deadlift...
We do pulls.
We dont max-out on pulls. That would be silly.

As it has been mentioned, the most important factor in lifting is arguably speed and positions. While heavy dead-lifts may help with positions, it hurts speed big time.

Some olympic lifting coaches don't even recommend heavy pulls because the speed element changes. Any breaking down of form must still relate movement wise to the clean or snatch. Some coaches hate ratios period.

With that said, I'm sure there are crazy stories about what athletes can do. But a true specialist wouldn't really do DL unless it was just for fun after a meet.

In a true bulgarian system, I'm not even sure pulls exist

I for instance I have no idea what I can deadlift. I've never done it.
Now that is surprising to me. Can you explain to me what a "pull" is?

Also, while I have you, the O-lifter, can you power clean more than you squat clean, or vice versa?

I would imagine you squat clean more, but most of us don't from what I can tell. What's up with that?
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:16 AM   #33
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Re: ANOTHER POLL- power clean ratio/deadlift

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Now that is surprising to me. Can you explain to me what a "pull" is?

Also, while I have you, the O-lifter, can you power clean more than you squat clean, or vice versa?

I would imagine you squat clean more, but most of us don't from what I can tell. What's up with that?
Ok, so a picture speaks a 1000 words right? Well here is a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Vdt...eature=related (wfs)

check it out at about 4:00min. That is about as heavy as you'd see o-lifters go. I believe it is about 250 kg on the bar, however his max clean is probably no less than 20 kg lighter (maybe 230's??? don't remember off the top of my head).

notice that the lift (although slower than a clean) is not a grind to the top. Also, somewhat noticeable is the lifter will end in the triple extension (in this case it is "ish").
Here is a picture of the top of a clean pull:
http://www.aimeeanaya.com/blog/images/pcpull.jpg (wfs)

Although the decrease in speed is why some coaches do not recommend pulls
There are SO MANY variants on the pull, but the traditional pull is just the first half of a clean or snatch (in other words, everything minus getting under-neath it). It's applicability is basically on a case by case basis.

second question:
2-a) I can full clean significantly more than I can power-clean. Most lifters can power close to 80% of their full lift, (+/- 5%???). It really depends on the strong suit of the lifter. Some are much closer to their max, others are lower. The ratio isn't standard enough to use as a coaching tool.

2-b) novice lifters may lift more on their powers vs. their full lifts for any number of reasons, however these are the two most common reasons:
1) they don't know how to properly get under the weight.
2) The bar-path is incorrect (as a result of set-up, or incorrect initial movement), as a result, the lifter cannot proper get under the weight.
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Old 05-07-2010, 07:52 AM   #34
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Re: ANOTHER POLL- power clean ratio/deadlift

Tony's got some great info there. Thanks for posting. I'm also impressed with the weights folks are moving - much respect.

I'm an old school powerlifter who's pulled over 375kgs in the neighborhood of several dozen times. I've done it both conventional and sumo. Sumo is easier for multiple rep sets.

I got into OL during the Fall of 2008. I've pulled 375kg+ about 5 or six times since then, but only for singles. During that time frame my squat clean has gone from about 125kg (I suck, I know - by comparison) to about 160 to 165. Just as Tony said, the bar path is very difficult to master. I finally got to where I could squat clean more than I could power clean about 4 months ago.

So my ratio is around 40 to 42%. But a lot better than it was when I started. Strangely enough, i'm pretty certain i could crack that elusive 8 with about a good 12 to 15 weeks of focused training. So the OL has made my posterior chain, IMO, much stronger and less prone to injury overall.

But Tony's right on - all that slow pulling I did over the years has made it really difficult for me to get snap/crispness on the bar.

I see the deadlift, no matter what style, having very little carryover to the quicker pulls. But with that said, I'm not young and slow, so that may have more to do with it than anything.

All the best,
Arden

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Old 05-08-2010, 10:16 PM   #35
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Re: ANOTHER POLL- power clean ratio/deadlift

255 lb PC / 375 lb DL = 0.68

I don't know why it's that high. I can't do a full clean with anywhere near that weight because my balance at the bottom is terrible and I fall over, so it isn't great technique, because my technique sucks. I've also been a bad deadlifter ever since I started deadlifting, and it's the lift I've practiced the least because I've hurt myself doing it the most and have to spend weeks at a time recovering and not practicing it. I eventually fixed it and haven't hurt myself deadlifting in over a year now, but I still suck at it. I'm currently 192 lbs, so I've yet to even hit 2X BW.
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