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Old 01-08-2010, 05:48 PM   #1
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I thought the paleo diet looks kind of interesting until I started reading about the dash diet. My family has a history of heart problems so I was just looking at different nutritional diets. The dash diet doesn't recommend eating a lot of meat and it seems as thought the paleo diet does. It does allow you to eat meat, but doesn't want you to make it the majority of your meal or your day. It also doesn't recommend a lot of egg yolks. I guess if your not worried about heart diseases, than there is no fear in going on paleo. Something to think about I guess.
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Old 01-08-2010, 05:50 PM   #2
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Re: dash diet

Actually part of the reason people do a paleo diet is to avoid this. I don't think Saturated fat / meat / eggs cause heart disease. These are the foods we evolved eating. They are not bad for you. Stuff made in a factory is.
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Old 01-08-2010, 05:58 PM   #3
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Re: dash diet

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I guess if your not worried about heart diseases, than there is no fear in going on paleo. Something to think about I guess.
Interesting. Please cite the evidence that paleo promotes heart disease. I missed that somehow.

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Old 01-08-2010, 06:10 PM   #4
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Interesting. Please cite the evidence that paleo promotes heart disease. I missed that somehow.

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I got the impression that the paleo diet is about eating a lot of meat, since meat is one of the main components. However, the dash diet says to limit meat to 6oz a day at the most. It has meat on it's list, but goes on to explain about being careful about consuming too much meat.

Example of Dash Diet:

* Grains: 7-8 daily servings
* Vegetables: 4-5 daily servings
* Fruits: 4-5 daily servings
* Low-fat or fat-free dairy products: 2-3 daily servings
* Meat, poultry and fish: 2 or less daily servings
* Nuts, seeds, and dry beans: 4-5 servings per week
* Fats and oils: 2-3 daily servings
* Sweets: try to limit to less than 5 servings per week

But I was specifically concerned about the meat. since there isn't much on the list to choose from on the Paleo diet, I'm guessing people turn to the meat. Although I do have to admit, that I'm not sure if I understand why the Dash Diet wouldn't specifically say you can eat as much lean chicken or fish as you want.
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Old 01-08-2010, 06:52 PM   #5
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Re: dash diet

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Example of Dash Diet:

* Grains: 7-8 daily servings
* Vegetables: 4-5 daily servings
* Fruits: 4-5 daily servings
* Low-fat or fat-free dairy products: 2-3 daily servings
* Meat, poultry and fish: 2 or less daily servings
* Nuts, seeds, and dry beans: 4-5 servings per week
* Fats and oils: 2-3 daily servings
* Sweets: try to limit to less than 5 servings per week
This diet looks like a guaranteed recipe for how to become morbidly obese and die from a heart attack or stroke. You know who gets fed a diet that consists primarily of grains, with some fruits and vegetables and very little fats or protein? Livestock that are being fattened up for slaughter. These are the same dietary recommendations that have been making Americans overweight and sick for the past 60 years.

Saturated fats got a bad rap due to some bad science in the 50's. A diet that's high in quality protein (fish and grass fed beef are the best) and monounsaturated fats, and low in starch (meaning that your carbohydrates come almost completely from vegetables and fruit) has been shown to improve blood chemistry (BP, cholesterol, triglycerides, etc.) better than any other dietary protocol.

Check out this video, then do some research of your own:

January 17, 2008 video presentation by Christopher Gardner for the Stanford School of Medicine Medcast lecture series.
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Old 01-08-2010, 08:32 PM   #6
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Re: dash diet

Mary -

Not sure where you're getting your paleo information. I'm certainly not under the impression that paleo is about eating a lot of meat. Is there meat on the paleo diet? Sure. Is it a lot? It doesn't across to me as being a lot, any more than either the fruit or the veggies do.

If you haven't, I recommend reading Cordain's book on the Paleo Diet. I think that will clear up a lot for you.

Also check out this (wfs) and its top-level site here (wfs).

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Old 01-08-2010, 08:46 PM   #7
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Re: dash diet

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I got the impression that the paleo diet is about eating a lot of meat, since meat is one of the main components. However, the dash diet says to limit meat to 6oz a day at the most. It has meat on it's list, but goes on to explain about being careful about consuming too much meat.

Example of Dash Diet:

* Grains: 7-8 daily servings
* Vegetables: 4-5 daily servings
* Fruits: 4-5 daily servings
* Low-fat or fat-free dairy products: 2-3 daily servings
* Meat, poultry and fish: 2 or less daily servings
* Nuts, seeds, and dry beans: 4-5 servings per week
* Fats and oils: 2-3 daily servings
* Sweets: try to limit to less than 5 servings per week

But I was specifically concerned about the meat. since there isn't much on the list to choose from on the Paleo diet, I'm guessing people turn to the meat. Although I do have to admit, that I'm not sure if I understand why the Dash Diet wouldn't specifically say you can eat as much lean chicken or fish as you want.
Seems like too many grains to me. And is it just me or is this the first proper diet I've heard of which tells you that it's ok to eat sweets?
This diet seems a lot better than the average FDA approved one, but I would still change some things from it. Especially the fat-free stuff.
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Old 01-09-2010, 03:39 AM   #8
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Re: dash diet

Never heard of it.

I Agree 100% with Christopher
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Re: dash diet

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This diet looks like a guaranteed recipe for how to become morbidly obese and die from a heart attack or stroke. You know who gets fed a diet that consists primarily of grains, with some fruits and vegetables and very little fats or protein? Livestock that are being fattened up for slaughter. These are the same dietary recommendations that have been making Americans overweight and sick for the past 60 years.
+1 to that. Meat and dietary fat do not cause heart disease. Welcome to 2010.
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Old 01-09-2010, 05:22 AM   #10
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Re: dash diet

Also: WFS:
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...iet-heart.html
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