Isn't kipping sorta like cheating??? - Page 3

Chris Forbis · 08-17-2005, 12:41 PM

Kipping is cheating... just like pumping your arms when you run is cheating.

Mike Yukish · 08-17-2005, 01:52 PM

What is the benefit to kipping over regular pullups?

I have a pretty good kip, since I played volleyball as a young'un and kipping is real similar to spiking in body motion. The WOD the other day had us doing 150 reps of pullups. I hadn't done any for about 2+ weeks ,due to vacation and other reasons. After doing the WOD, I was sore in the biceps and forearms for a few days.

More importantly for this discussion, I was quite sore in my abs too. As I ran out of arms at about rep 100, it became very much an ab workout. So in that regard, it was very much a whole body/core workout.

Bryant Powers · 08-17-2005, 04:20 PM

It doesn't have anything to do with kipping but don't forget uneven ring pull-ups where one ring is higher then the other. Its a great movement and a good way to work up to a one arm pull up.

Pat Janes · 08-17-2005, 07:06 PM

I'm with you, Mike on the 150 pullup WOD; the one with the wallball, right? I also did "G.I. Jane" yesterday, 100 pullup burpees, so I was already hurting in the pullup department.

I was really struggling in the biceps and lats during the pullups and have no doubt I would still be doing that WOD (about an hour later) if I didn't kip. My kip isn't all that pretty, but it certainly does increase my efficiency and power output. I was doing mostly sets of 10 to complete the 150 and by the 6-7th rep in each set my lats and biceps were burning, but the benefit of violent hip extension kept me going.

I'm going to be relying on kipping for the upcoming "Murph" WOD too, if I want to complete the 100 pullups without interspersing them with the pushups and squats.

David Wood · 08-18-2005, 06:04 AM

Chris Forbis said:

Kipping is cheating... just like pumping your arms when you run is cheating.

That may be the simplest, and clearest, answer to this whole issue I've ever heard.

Thanks, Chris.

Alexander Karatis · 08-18-2005, 06:57 AM

David,

Ditto on Chris.
5 stars to him then for being such a good definer of stuff. :wink:

William Hunter · 08-18-2005, 07:25 AM

Not only succinct, but I got a good chuckle trying to visualize someone running with their arms locked to their sides.

Alexander Karatis · 08-18-2005, 11:16 AM

The more I think about it, the more awesome and complete an explanation it is. There goes another vote. :proud:

John Walsh · 08-18-2005, 11:53 AM

The way I see it cheating only occurs if you don’t the full range of motion. Partial pull-ups are cheating pull-ups when you are capable of full range pull-ups. I think a lot of this business of “is kipping cheating” comes from the bodybuilding concept of training. Don’t cheat on your curls because you won’t get that double bicep peak. That’s pretty boy stuff. In sport, at least manly sports, you don’t get scored for your technique or your lat spread. If I knock you out or down who cares about my form from an aesthetic perspective. Rocky Marciano was considered an awkward and clumsy fighter but he never lost a bout and he usually knocked guys out.

Kipping or not pull-ups suck, I suck at them and they are very hard for me. I do them anyway. I don’t think I either kip or do the strict style. I do Irish pull-ups. In this version you contort, kick, curse, spit and generally do what ever you have to in order to get your double chin over the bar.

Jim Aldridge · 08-19-2005, 08:11 AM

Not trying to be melodramatic, but if I am ever hanging from a bar, ledge, etc. over a vat of boiling oil, canyon, abyss, (insert some other form of perilous drop off here) I am kipping my @$$ off to get to safety, particularly if I am in full firefighting turnouts and SCBA (add about 45 lbs. to your bodyweight). If this really is all about functional fitness, then the movements we make in our workouts should be the ones that translate most easily into the real world situations where your life could depend on it.

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08-17-2005, 12:41 PM	#21
Chris Forbis Member Profile: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Joplin Missouri Posts: 922	Kipping is cheating... just like pumping your arms when you run is cheating.

08-17-2005, 01:52 PM	#22
Mike Yukish Member Profile: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: State College PA Posts: 448	What is the benefit to kipping over regular pullups? I have a pretty good kip, since I played volleyball as a young'un and kipping is real similar to spiking in body motion. The WOD the other day had us doing 150 reps of pullups. I hadn't done any for about 2+ weeks ,due to vacation and other reasons. After doing the WOD, I was sore in the biceps and forearms for a few days. More importantly for this discussion, I was quite sore in my abs too. As I ran out of arms at about rep 100, it became very much an ab workout. So in that regard, it was very much a whole body/core workout.

08-17-2005, 04:20 PM	#23
Bryant Powers Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Kunia HI Posts: 91	It doesn't have anything to do with kipping but don't forget uneven ring pull-ups where one ring is higher then the other. Its a great movement and a good way to work up to a one arm pull up.

08-17-2005, 07:06 PM	#24
Pat Janes Departed Profile: Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 709	I'm with you, Mike on the 150 pullup WOD; the one with the wallball, right? I also did "G.I. Jane" yesterday, 100 pullup burpees, so I was already hurting in the pullup department. I was really struggling in the biceps and lats during the pullups and have no doubt I would still be doing that WOD (about an hour later) if I didn't kip. My kip isn't all that pretty, but it certainly does increase my efficiency and power output. I was doing mostly sets of 10 to complete the 150 and by the 6-7th rep in each set my lats and biceps were burning, but the benefit of violent hip extension kept me going. I'm going to be relying on kipping for the upcoming "Murph" WOD too, if I want to complete the 100 pullups without interspersing them with the pushups and squats.

08-18-2005, 06:04 AM	#25
David Wood Departed Profile: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,307	Chris Forbis said: Kipping is cheating... just like pumping your arms when you run is cheating. That may be the simplest, and clearest, answer to this whole issue I've ever heard. Thanks, Chris.

08-18-2005, 06:57 AM	#26
Alexander Karatis Member Profile: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Athens Attica, Greece Posts: 786	David, Ditto on Chris. 5 stars to him then for being such a good definer of stuff. :wink:

08-18-2005, 07:25 AM	#27
William Hunter Member Profile: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Rome GA Posts: 967	Not only succinct, but I got a good chuckle trying to visualize someone running with their arms locked to their sides.

08-18-2005, 11:16 AM	#28
Alexander Karatis Member Profile: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Athens Attica, Greece Posts: 786	The more I think about it, the more awesome and complete an explanation it is. There goes another vote. :proud:

08-18-2005, 11:53 AM	#29
John Walsh Banned Profile: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Boston MA Posts: 467	The way I see it cheating only occurs if you don’t the full range of motion. Partial pull-ups are cheating pull-ups when you are capable of full range pull-ups. I think a lot of this business of “is kipping cheating” comes from the bodybuilding concept of training. Don’t cheat on your curls because you won’t get that double bicep peak. That’s pretty boy stuff. In sport, at least manly sports, you don’t get scored for your technique or your lat spread. If I knock you out or down who cares about my form from an aesthetic perspective. Rocky Marciano was considered an awkward and clumsy fighter but he never lost a bout and he usually knocked guys out. Kipping or not pull-ups suck, I suck at them and they are very hard for me. I do them anyway. I don’t think I either kip or do the strict style. I do Irish pull-ups. In this version you contort, kick, curse, spit and generally do what ever you have to in order to get your double chin over the bar.

08-19-2005, 08:11 AM	#30
Jim Aldridge Member Profile: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Memphis TN Posts: 153	Not trying to be melodramatic, but if I am ever hanging from a bar, ledge, etc. over a vat of boiling oil, canyon, abyss, (insert some other form of perilous drop off here) I am kipping my @$$ off to get to safety, particularly if I am in full firefighting turnouts and SCBA (add about 45 lbs. to your bodyweight). If this really is all about functional fitness, then the movements we make in our workouts should be the ones that translate most easily into the real world situations where your life could depend on it.