Dan John's View on Stretching - Page 3

11-09-2005, 01:21 PM

Although,I must admit-I really am a "genetic mutant" when it it comes to flexibility.

I can do full frontal & Russian splits with nothing more then a 5-10 sec warm-up....soooo...I may not be the the best "test-case"! :biggrin:

Roger Harrell · 11-09-2005, 01:56 PM

I am not a genetic mutant when it comes to stretching. I have to be diligent about stretching to maintain flexbility, and I'm in a sport where extreeme flexibility is highly advantageous and inflexibility is a severe hinderance. Static stretching prior to workout has been shown to reduce explosive power. Extreme flexibility coupled with weakness can lead to severe injury. BUT extreme flexibility coupled with proper strength and conditioning allows for safe excecution of just about anything. Being flexible will enable better performance in many tasks, and can be the difference between some tasks being possible or not.

11-09-2005, 02:35 PM

Absolutely,Roger!

If I find myself incorporating longer static stretches in my warm-up(again-not my usual MO,only as "remediation" for whatever)...I tack on a few mins of jumping/skipping afterwards

I know-a bit unorthodox for some.

Jason Billows · 11-21-2005, 07:30 AM

Roger, that's a very good point.

I was an extremely felxible person and am fairly tall (6'1"). I was never very strong though and it ended up contributing to some lower back problems.

I have been recovering from my back problems for a long time now, but it is coming along. At one point I had the flexibility to almost touch the top of my head to my toes in a pike, but lacked the strengh to support my body properly. After my injuries it was painful to even bend over the sink to shave.

Jason

Roger Smith · 11-21-2005, 11:34 AM

You really can't expect to streach without one of these:

http://www.truefitness.com/products/residential/product.aspx?seriesID=23&product ID=23

They START at a grand.....

Ian Holmes · 11-21-2005, 12:00 PM

I hold with Roger.
Stretching is a key element to any athletes training, yet to gain the full benefit of doing so, one should stretch after exercising.

Adam
In reagards to increasing muscle size by stretching... this may not be a complete myth. If you stretch the fascia which encases a muscle you can give it more space to expand into... google fascia and stretching for some articles on this. This mainly holds true for calf muscles due to the amount of shock the fascia is used to recieving.

Somebody else may be able to describe what goes on somewhat more adequatly.

Jason Erickson · 11-22-2005, 07:19 AM

Wow, Roger... I thought jungle gyms were defunct since playgrounds removed them. Now I realize that they've simply been reconfigured to be resold to adults as overpriced fitness toys.

Oh well... at least it'll support more hangers (and collect more dust!) than the old $40 crunch machines do.

Kenneth Urakawa · 11-23-2005, 07:51 PM

Don't mock the Truestretch! The disciples are few but devoted. (no, I'm not one personally, but I know a couple of people who swear by it)

Joshua F Hillis · 11-24-2005, 02:24 AM

My experience:

I always had trouble squatting deep. People always told me my hamstrings were too tight. So I stretched my hamstrings and my squat still sucked.

One day, after the CF Cert with Coach having us do B2B Tabata Squats, and telling us that if you don't have strength in the bottom, you don't have much of a squat I got to thinking. I started just hanging out in the bottom of the squat, as low as I could go maintaining a good arch. I'd alternate doing it airsquat and doing it with a couple 36lb kettlebells racked in a front squat. Then I'd hang out in the bottom and do what Pavel calls "prying". My squat got rock bottom in like two weeks.

Lately I've been doing a lot of prying with my shoulders for the overhead squat. And also trying to put the two together... slightly harder. But just prying in the overhead squat seems to be working pretty well for me.

Anyway, I feel like the weighted stretching gets me results like nothing else.

Ryan Abbott · 11-24-2005, 07:05 AM

Josh, could you elaborate on what "prying" is and where Pavel writes about it?

Thanks.

11-09-2005, 01:21 PM	#21
Sonia Ng Profile: Posts: n/a	Although,I must admit-I really am a "genetic mutant" when it it comes to flexibility. I can do full frontal & Russian splits with nothing more then a 5-10 sec warm-up....soooo...I may not be the the best "test-case"! :biggrin:
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11-09-2005, 02:35 PM	#23
Sonia Ng Profile: Posts: n/a	Absolutely,Roger! If I find myself incorporating longer static stretches in my warm-up(again-not my usual MO,only as "remediation" for whatever)...I tack on a few mins of jumping/skipping afterwards I know-a bit unorthodox for some.
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11-09-2005, 01:56 PM	#22
Roger Harrell Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: San Rafael CA Posts: 2,231	I am not a genetic mutant when it comes to stretching. I have to be diligent about stretching to maintain flexbility, and I'm in a sport where extreeme flexibility is highly advantageous and inflexibility is a severe hinderance. Static stretching prior to workout has been shown to reduce explosive power. Extreme flexibility coupled with weakness can lead to severe injury. BUT extreme flexibility coupled with proper strength and conditioning allows for safe excecution of just about anything. Being flexible will enable better performance in many tasks, and can be the difference between some tasks being possible or not.

11-21-2005, 07:30 AM	#24
Jason Billows Member Profile: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ottawa Ontario Posts: 384	Roger, that's a very good point. I was an extremely felxible person and am fairly tall (6'1"). I was never very strong though and it ended up contributing to some lower back problems. I have been recovering from my back problems for a long time now, but it is coming along. At one point I had the flexibility to almost touch the top of my head to my toes in a pike, but lacked the strengh to support my body properly. After my injuries it was painful to even bend over the sink to shave. Jason

11-21-2005, 11:34 AM	#25
Roger Smith Member Profile: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Calgary AB Posts: 388	You really can't expect to streach without one of these: http://www.truefitness.com/products/residential/product.aspx?seriesID=23&product ID=23 They START at a grand.....

11-21-2005, 12:00 PM	#26
Ian Holmes Member Profile: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Montreal Quebec Posts: 496	I hold with Roger. Stretching is a key element to any athletes training, yet to gain the full benefit of doing so, one should stretch after exercising. Adam In reagards to increasing muscle size by stretching... this may not be a complete myth. If you stretch the fascia which encases a muscle you can give it more space to expand into... google fascia and stretching for some articles on this. This mainly holds true for calf muscles due to the amount of shock the fascia is used to recieving. Somebody else may be able to describe what goes on somewhat more adequatly.

11-22-2005, 07:19 AM	#27
Jason Erickson Member Profile: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Minneapolis MN Posts: 198	Wow, Roger... I thought jungle gyms were defunct since playgrounds removed them. Now I realize that they've simply been reconfigured to be resold to adults as overpriced fitness toys. Oh well... at least it'll support more hangers (and collect more dust!) than the old $40 crunch machines do.

11-23-2005, 07:51 PM	#28
Kenneth Urakawa Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chandler AZ Posts: 539	Don't mock the Truestretch! The disciples are few but devoted. (no, I'm not one personally, but I know a couple of people who swear by it)

11-24-2005, 02:24 AM	#29
Joshua F Hillis Member Profile: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio De Janeiro RJ Posts: 204	My experience: I always had trouble squatting deep. People always told me my hamstrings were too tight. So I stretched my hamstrings and my squat still sucked. One day, after the CF Cert with Coach having us do B2B Tabata Squats, and telling us that if you don't have strength in the bottom, you don't have much of a squat I got to thinking. I started just hanging out in the bottom of the squat, as low as I could go maintaining a good arch. I'd alternate doing it airsquat and doing it with a couple 36lb kettlebells racked in a front squat. Then I'd hang out in the bottom and do what Pavel calls "prying". My squat got rock bottom in like two weeks. Lately I've been doing a lot of prying with my shoulders for the overhead squat. And also trying to put the two together... slightly harder. But just prying in the overhead squat seems to be working pretty well for me. Anyway, I feel like the weighted stretching gets me results like nothing else.

11-24-2005, 07:05 AM	#30
Ryan Abbott Member Profile: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Dover NH Posts: 105	Josh, could you elaborate on what "prying" is and where Pavel writes about it? Thanks.