Looking for a Martial Art - Page 9

Ron Nelson · 05-16-2005, 09:47 AM

Graham,
I prefer the Palm of Buddha myself!
Kung Fu Hustle absolutely rocked!!

Josh Brehm · 05-16-2005, 12:14 PM

I never said BJJ is useless, it's one of the best arts to train in. But, what most people do is train in ONLY BJJ. The problem is, if 1st guy who is only trained in BJJ gets confronted by a 2nd guy who trains both MT and BJJ and uses primarily MT with BJJ as a back up in case he gets taken down, the first guy is going to get destroyed. BJJ is not a good primary art, it's one of the best arts to cross train in though. I'd rank it as top 1-3.

Daniel Overvoll · 05-16-2005, 01:19 PM

School has Gotta be out.

Barry Cooper · 05-16-2005, 02:23 PM

In my observation, talking to guys who actually get in fights on a regular basis, it seems to boil down to knowing about 3 very simple things really well (tackle, groin kick, straight punch, head butt something along those lines), and otherwise just being really, really aggressive. Use sucker punches, and weapons whenever you can. That is not typically how most martial arts schools teach.

The reality is, and I've said this before, that it is really easy to avoid fights through not being obnoxious, and paying attention to your environment, and not going places where fights are likely. Keep a gun in your home, and car, if legal, and if you're really worried, and otherwise just pick something that gets you excited.

And in point of fact, exactly 100 angels will fit on the head of a pin. . .

Patrick Johnston · 05-16-2005, 03:44 PM

It is my contention, Josh, that your "2nd guy" will indeed be taken to the ground. Then, if your "1st guy" has superior BJJ/ground skills, your "2nd guys" crosstraining may very well prove usesless.

Of course, it would be great if an individual could have the skills of a world champion BJJ fighter, the throws of an Olympic gold medalist judoka, the fists of Roy Jones, Jr., and the kicks of Maurice Smith but this person is hard to find.

As for me, given my experience and knowledge, I think BJJ is the most practical set of skills for self-defense. Just my $.02.

Tom Schneitter · 05-16-2005, 04:15 PM

Although I don't know anyone who gets in brawls on a regular basis(or any time for that matter). I have a pretty good idea about the effectiveness of keeping it simple as Barry put it.
The film Trainspotting provided me with all the evidence to support that following the simple gameplan can have devastating results. Begbie was a gent who enjoyed beating the ****e out of people for kicks. He used the headbutt, was extremely aggro to the point of being medieval and conducted a surprise attack in the bathroom. Since I saw movie I have it a point to avoid dive bars.
"A total psycho, but he's a mate, so what can you do?"

Jason Simpkins · 05-16-2005, 04:47 PM

Me likey Muay Thai. Just be careful with the shin kicks...

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/kickbreak.mpeg

Richard Owen · 05-16-2005, 10:04 PM

Oh my @#!@#!!!

Jason - thanks for providing that link!

Gentlemen - When I first started grappling I was told that traditional BJJ avoided kicking and punching because real kicks and punches (i.e. without gloves/pads) could just as easily cause injury to the aggressor as the target. This is not so true with submission holds like a rear choke - which is pretty darn safe for the aggressor.

Look at Jason's link. Incredible.

William Hunter · 05-17-2005, 06:05 AM

OUCH! FIGHT OVER!

Jason Simpkins · 05-17-2005, 08:48 AM

This debate has been going on for ages in martial arts circles around the world. We could come up with a million scenarios with a million techniques for each one. With most of the fights I've witnessed or been a part of, it's usually multiple aggressors in crowded or confined spaces, with and without weapons of some kind.

There is no way that you can practice or prepare for all of the variables involved, no matter what your art. Grappling is great, but the last thing I want to do is roll around on a dirty, wet bar floor full of broken glass with some dude who's group of friends decide to shine their shoes on my forehead.

I also don't feel like breaking my hand on some dude's skull or getting a wicked infection from his front tooth being embedded in my knuckle.

I'm not in high school any more and for some reason my wife is not as impressed with me laying the beat downs to a total stranger in the street, as my sweet sixteen was.

The last "altercation" I was involved in, I was waiting in line at the grocery store and was day dreaming about nothing, when this wing nut all of a sudden starts in about me staring at him and that I should watch myself. I was shocked at first and then I pulled the old taxi driver routine, "You talkin' to me?" After that I flew into this ti-raid like a mad man.

Funny thing, was the look in this guy's eyes went from fire to water in 5 seconds flat as the whole store stopped and looked on. He looked like he shrunk down to three feet tall. I simply turned away, paid for my bananas and walked out. Chalk one up for "Crazzzzzy-FU!"

My advice is to just pick an art that you enjoy doing because it's fun and keeps you in tip top shape.

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05-16-2005, 09:47 AM	#81
Ron Nelson Banned Profile: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Anaheim CA Posts: 1,199	Graham, I prefer the Palm of Buddha myself! Kung Fu Hustle absolutely rocked!!

05-16-2005, 12:14 PM	#82
Josh Brehm Member Profile: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Dallas Oregon Posts: 532	I never said BJJ is useless, it's one of the best arts to train in. But, what most people do is train in ONLY BJJ. The problem is, if 1st guy who is only trained in BJJ gets confronted by a 2nd guy who trains both MT and BJJ and uses primarily MT with BJJ as a back up in case he gets taken down, the first guy is going to get destroyed. BJJ is not a good primary art, it's one of the best arts to cross train in though. I'd rank it as top 1-3.

05-16-2005, 01:19 PM	#83
Daniel Overvoll Member Profile: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: St. Simons Island GA Posts: 184	School has Gotta be out.

05-16-2005, 02:23 PM	#84
Barry Cooper Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 2,187	In my observation, talking to guys who actually get in fights on a regular basis, it seems to boil down to knowing about 3 very simple things really well (tackle, groin kick, straight punch, head butt something along those lines), and otherwise just being really, really aggressive. Use sucker punches, and weapons whenever you can. That is not typically how most martial arts schools teach. The reality is, and I've said this before, that it is really easy to avoid fights through not being obnoxious, and paying attention to your environment, and not going places where fights are likely. Keep a gun in your home, and car, if legal, and if you're really worried, and otherwise just pick something that gets you excited. And in point of fact, exactly 100 angels will fit on the head of a pin. . .

05-16-2005, 03:44 PM	#85
Patrick Johnston Member Profile: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Modesto Ca Posts: 358	It is my contention, Josh, that your "2nd guy" will indeed be taken to the ground. Then, if your "1st guy" has superior BJJ/ground skills, your "2nd guys" crosstraining may very well prove usesless. Of course, it would be great if an individual could have the skills of a world champion BJJ fighter, the throws of an Olympic gold medalist judoka, the fists of Roy Jones, Jr., and the kicks of Maurice Smith but this person is hard to find. As for me, given my experience and knowledge, I think BJJ is the most practical set of skills for self-defense. Just my $.02.

05-16-2005, 04:15 PM	#86
Tom Schneitter Member Profile: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: San Francisco CA Posts: 131	Although I don't know anyone who gets in brawls on a regular basis(or any time for that matter). I have a pretty good idea about the effectiveness of keeping it simple as Barry put it. The film Trainspotting provided me with all the evidence to support that following the simple gameplan can have devastating results. Begbie was a gent who enjoyed beating the ****e out of people for kicks. He used the headbutt, was extremely aggro to the point of being medieval and conducted a surprise attack in the bathroom. Since I saw movie I have it a point to avoid dive bars. "A total psycho, but he's a mate, so what can you do?"

05-16-2005, 04:47 PM	#87
Jason Simpkins Departed Profile: Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 221	Me likey Muay Thai. Just be careful with the shin kicks... http://media.ebaumsworld.com/kickbreak.mpeg

05-16-2005, 10:04 PM	#88
Richard Owen Departed Profile: Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 24	Oh my @#!@#!!! Jason - thanks for providing that link! Gentlemen - When I first started grappling I was told that traditional BJJ avoided kicking and punching because real kicks and punches (i.e. without gloves/pads) could just as easily cause injury to the aggressor as the target. This is not so true with submission holds like a rear choke - which is pretty darn safe for the aggressor. Look at Jason's link. Incredible.

05-17-2005, 06:05 AM	#89
William Hunter Member Profile: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Rome GA Posts: 938	OUCH! FIGHT OVER!

05-17-2005, 08:48 AM	#90
Jason Simpkins Departed Profile: Join Date: Dec 1969 Posts: 221	This debate has been going on for ages in martial arts circles around the world. We could come up with a million scenarios with a million techniques for each one. With most of the fights I've witnessed or been a part of, it's usually multiple aggressors in crowded or confined spaces, with and without weapons of some kind. There is no way that you can practice or prepare for all of the variables involved, no matter what your art. Grappling is great, but the last thing I want to do is roll around on a dirty, wet bar floor full of broken glass with some dude who's group of friends decide to shine their shoes on my forehead. I also don't feel like breaking my hand on some dude's skull or getting a wicked infection from his front tooth being embedded in my knuckle. I'm not in high school any more and for some reason my wife is not as impressed with me laying the beat downs to a total stranger in the street, as my sweet sixteen was. The last "altercation" I was involved in, I was waiting in line at the grocery store and was day dreaming about nothing, when this wing nut all of a sudden starts in about me staring at him and that I should watch myself. I was shocked at first and then I pulled the old taxi driver routine, "You talkin' to me?" After that I flew into this ti-raid like a mad man. Funny thing, was the look in this guy's eyes went from fire to water in 5 seconds flat as the whole store stopped and looked on. He looked like he shrunk down to three feet tall. I simply turned away, paid for my bananas and walked out. Chalk one up for "Crazzzzzy-FU!" My advice is to just pick an art that you enjoy doing because it's fun and keeps you in tip top shape.