Again Faster Portable Pull-up Bar - Page 2

Jennifer Conlin · 09-22-2006, 10:02 AM

I'm really interested in AF bar. So you can kip on this bar? I have no place to learn the kip and was thinking this would be a good idea for me. I do realize it would be more of challenge since it moves.
Do you have any Vids of kipping on it?

Jon Gilson · 09-22-2006, 11:42 AM

Martin,

Off hotel fire escapes? Brother, if you pull that off, please take a picture! I'd love to see it!

Jennifer,

The kip is very doable, although it is somewhat muted due to the dynamic nature of the bar. The closer you hang it to the support, the less it moves.

I don't have video right now, but that's a heck of an idea. Let me see what I can do. We're going to use the AF Bar this weekend during my crew's Sunday Park Workout--I'll try to get some action footage! At the very least, I should be able to post a frame by frame at http://www.againfaster.com. Look for the pictures on Monday!

Thanks for the kind words guys!

Best,

Jon

Jonathan Leung · 09-22-2006, 12:14 PM

I just had to comment about doing olympic lifts with this bar. If you look at the bar trajectories for the C&J and snatch, you will see that they are not straight lines. This is not saying your product isn't useful for other things, but I don't think it's optimal for olympic lifting.

Jon Gilson · 09-22-2006, 01:20 PM

Jonathan,

You are correct. The respective bar paths on the C&J and the Snatch are not straight lines. Nonetheless, they exhibit very little horizontal displacement when performed correctly.

Ideally, the bar does not travel outside of the base created by the feet being placed directly under the hips. This base is approximately the length of your foot and as wide as your landing stance.

The Again Faster Bar (with chains, of course) exhibits some very definite behavior when the bar path is outside of the base. Namely, it sways a ton. This is not the case when the Bar stays in the proper path. Chain movement is muted in this instance.

I believe the best way to learn the O-lifts is to seek out and retain a qualified coach, attend a USA Weightlifting or Crossfit Oly Certification, and to practice ad nauseum with a solid barbell.

The AF Bar remains useful as a tool for self-diagnosis of improper form. You won't need an instructor to point out your "reverse curl" or your "jump back", because the Bar will be busy trying to rip itself out of your hands every time you miss a pull.

We discovered this trait quite by accident--it wasn't my original intention when building the gear.

Again, the Bar is not a substitute for a good 'ol fashioned barbell and bumpers. It just happens to be useful in the pursuit of a good pull and stability in the bottom position.

Best,

Jon

Martin Schap · 09-22-2006, 01:37 PM

Jon
I did it when I was in Dublin this past spring. The only gear I took with me was my jump rope. Other than that I did pull-ups off of my hotel's fire escape, off of tree limbs (commando pull-ups) and on these big poles on the street (my avatar). I also worked out with some big rocks from the hotel courtyard, did jumps up onto a low stone wall and did towel pull-ups using a cheap towel that I bought over there looped over a beam that was sticking out the side of the building. Talk about training in an austere environment! All of these workouts were performed outside in the rain. On my last day there I realized there was a gym about a block away from my hotel. I had to laugh.

Jerry Hill · 09-22-2006, 07:35 PM

Jen,
You know I'm not camera shy :msn-wink:
I'll post some video of kipping when my bar arrives.

Jennifer Conlin · 09-23-2006, 02:43 AM

Awesome! Kip on bro.

Jon Gilson · 09-24-2006, 05:04 PM

Here it is Jen! I hung the Bar during the Again Faster Weekly Workout. This is me, cranking out kipping pullups a few minutes after finishing a mixed set of 101 Pullups, 96 Beck's Burpees, 96 V-ups, and 96 Overhead Squats. I couldn't find any other volunteers.

:pokey000:

We had a few technical difficulties, culminating in a power surge that fried my (very old) digital camera. Please forgive the 90 degree rotation. For optimal viewing, place your left ear on your left shoulder after the title screen.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djF-2LLBko0

Jerry, your AF Bar is on the way! I'd love to see some (decent) video!

Best,

Jon

(Message edited by again_faster on September 24, 2006)

Jennifer Conlin · 09-24-2006, 05:59 PM

Very nice! Ok, I'm going to have to get one. I can't right now but I'm going to get one! That looks like fun hard work! Even looking at it sideways!!:showoff:

Jerry Hill · 09-24-2006, 07:28 PM

Solid work Jon.

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09-22-2006, 10:02 AM	#11
Jennifer Conlin Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oakville CT Posts: 531	I'm really interested in AF bar. So you can kip on this bar? I have no place to learn the kip and was thinking this would be a good idea for me. I do realize it would be more of challenge since it moves. Do you have any Vids of kipping on it?

09-22-2006, 11:42 AM	#12
Jon Gilson Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Boston MA Posts: 638	Martin, Off hotel fire escapes? Brother, if you pull that off, please take a picture! I'd love to see it! Jennifer, The kip is very doable, although it is somewhat muted due to the dynamic nature of the bar. The closer you hang it to the support, the less it moves. I don't have video right now, but that's a heck of an idea. Let me see what I can do. We're going to use the AF Bar this weekend during my crew's Sunday Park Workout--I'll try to get some action footage! At the very least, I should be able to post a frame by frame at http://www.againfaster.com. Look for the pictures on Monday! Thanks for the kind words guys! Best, Jon

09-22-2006, 12:14 PM	#13
Jonathan Leung Member Profile: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Boston MA Posts: 23	I just had to comment about doing olympic lifts with this bar. If you look at the bar trajectories for the C&J and snatch, you will see that they are not straight lines. This is not saying your product isn't useful for other things, but I don't think it's optimal for olympic lifting.

09-22-2006, 01:20 PM	#14
Jon Gilson Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Boston MA Posts: 638	Jonathan, You are correct. The respective bar paths on the C&J and the Snatch are not straight lines. Nonetheless, they exhibit very little horizontal displacement when performed correctly. Ideally, the bar does not travel outside of the base created by the feet being placed directly under the hips. This base is approximately the length of your foot and as wide as your landing stance. The Again Faster Bar (with chains, of course) exhibits some very definite behavior when the bar path is outside of the base. Namely, it sways a ton. This is not the case when the Bar stays in the proper path. Chain movement is muted in this instance. I believe the best way to learn the O-lifts is to seek out and retain a qualified coach, attend a USA Weightlifting or Crossfit Oly Certification, and to practice ad nauseum with a solid barbell. The AF Bar remains useful as a tool for self-diagnosis of improper form. You won't need an instructor to point out your "reverse curl" or your "jump back", because the Bar will be busy trying to rip itself out of your hands every time you miss a pull. We discovered this trait quite by accident--it wasn't my original intention when building the gear. Again, the Bar is not a substitute for a good 'ol fashioned barbell and bumpers. It just happens to be useful in the pursuit of a good pull and stability in the bottom position. Best, Jon

09-22-2006, 01:37 PM	#15
Martin Schap Member Profile: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lafayette IN Posts: 523	Jon I did it when I was in Dublin this past spring. The only gear I took with me was my jump rope. Other than that I did pull-ups off of my hotel's fire escape, off of tree limbs (commando pull-ups) and on these big poles on the street (my avatar). I also worked out with some big rocks from the hotel courtyard, did jumps up onto a low stone wall and did towel pull-ups using a cheap towel that I bought over there looped over a beam that was sticking out the side of the building. Talk about training in an austere environment! All of these workouts were performed outside in the rain. On my last day there I realized there was a gym about a block away from my hotel. I had to laugh.

09-22-2006, 07:35 PM	#16
Jerry Hill Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alexandria VA Posts: 645	Jen, You know I'm not camera shy :msn-wink: I'll post some video of kipping when my bar arrives.

09-23-2006, 02:43 AM	#17
Jennifer Conlin Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oakville CT Posts: 531	Awesome! Kip on bro.

09-24-2006, 05:04 PM	#18
Jon Gilson Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Boston MA Posts: 638	Here it is Jen! I hung the Bar during the Again Faster Weekly Workout. This is me, cranking out kipping pullups a few minutes after finishing a mixed set of 101 Pullups, 96 Beck's Burpees, 96 V-ups, and 96 Overhead Squats. I couldn't find any other volunteers. :pokey000: We had a few technical difficulties, culminating in a power surge that fried my (very old) digital camera. Please forgive the 90 degree rotation. For optimal viewing, place your left ear on your left shoulder after the title screen. Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djF-2LLBko0 Jerry, your AF Bar is on the way! I'd love to see some (decent) video! Best, Jon (Message edited by again_faster on September 24, 2006)

09-24-2006, 05:59 PM	#19
Jennifer Conlin Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oakville CT Posts: 531	Very nice! Ok, I'm going to have to get one. I can't right now but I'm going to get one! That looks like fun hard work! Even looking at it sideways!!:showoff:

09-24-2006, 07:28 PM	#20
Jerry Hill Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alexandria VA Posts: 645	Solid work Jon.