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Old 05-20-2005, 03:10 AM   #31
Graham Hayes
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Looks to me like:
6:00 to 8:00 minutes is an average range for regular, well conditioned, CrossFitters.

5:00 to 6:00 is where your typical Pro MMA fighter resides.


I disagree, you have one result in the 6-8 min range (me) and two in the 5-6min range (Adrian and Rutman's son), and the best time the MMA guys got was 5:50, only just in that zone (how many in the 6-8?)...I reckon there are quite a few CrossFitters who can hit the 5-6 range too, based on my WOD performance relative to others.

4 out of the 6 CrossFitters who posted (not fair to include Steve Cotter), posted times faster than the 5:50 which is the best the MMA guys got. That puts me and Jay at somewhere below average, and the average CrossFitter being fitter than a typical pro MMA guy. You can't disregard results because they're too good.:happy:
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Old 05-20-2005, 04:58 AM   #32
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Well im below average as well because i got 6:56


6ft 3in BWT 188

im going to try this again next week because im sure i can get the time down by a long way.
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Old 05-20-2005, 05:12 AM   #33
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Jay and Richard
Looks like I'm in the same weightclass as you guys!
Hopefully we can get a friendly competition going.

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Old 05-20-2005, 06:28 AM   #34
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I KNOW you're better than that Davie:wink:

How about doing this as a "warm up" for next months Painstorming? I reckon we could go sub 6 by then...
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Old 05-20-2005, 06:31 AM   #35
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Or sub-10 in my case...

Sounds like a plan!
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Old 05-20-2005, 07:05 AM   #36
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Veronica-

You made an interesting point regarding your UGLY cleans. This has been my observation over the last two years. Glassman explains this as an expected outcome of the challenge.

For this workout I know my pc turned sour on rounds 4 and 5 as well. I also watched this with the rest of my class that evening. Some folks pulled from a straighter leg position. I also had to coach them at the rack position. Some of my athletes wanted to turn this around too quickly. I ask them to pause so they actually racked it.

From my view, someone could be less sound technically but ‘strong like bull’ and muscle through this workout.

RUTMAN
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Old 05-20-2005, 08:26 AM   #37
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I'm an idiot! I just finished this using 85# doing 5 rounds of power clean AND JERKS setted with 15 pushups....9:37.

I'll try this one again in a week, this time doing the correct workout. Oh well, it's good practice for Grace.....
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Old 05-20-2005, 12:48 PM   #38
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That's a damn good time, Kelly.
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Old 05-20-2005, 02:05 PM   #39
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Rutman, I doubt anyone could finish out this drill with anywhere near a technically sound technique. Post your vids if you can do it!
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Old 05-20-2005, 04:50 PM   #40
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Graham

Here's what I'm seeing...

CrossFit Times:
Rutman 4:46
Atkins 4:55
Bozman 5:25
Rutman 5:29 (Rutman's son)
Hayes 6:30
Meeks 6:50 (my buddy who turned me on to CrossFit but didnt post here)
Easton 6:56
Owen 7:00 + (thats me. never broken 7 minutes)
Carpenter 7:34
Ashman 8:15

Pro MMA guys... pretty much all under 6:30, now have some in the low 5's (5:17) but still none to break 5 minutes.

I dont see Rutman and Atkins as "average" CrossFitter's. And I suspect when a challenge like this is thrown out that the higher end folks are probably more likely to respond to it in general.

I bet if all the CrossFitter's did this test, times would climb a bit versus the median that we see from this small sample.

I suspect the average CrossFitter is in the 6:00 to 8:00 minute range, although I agree that these scores alone don't show that. I'm extrapolating a bit.
I also think it's clear that the elite from CrossFit (or at least the high end) are clearly ahead of the elite fighters from the MMA pool.

My original hypothesis appears to be correct, in that Professional MMA fighters, with corporate sponsors that pay them to "train" for a living to become "brutally fit", can be out-paced on a brutal fitness test by non-professional athletes (regular guys) who are training in the CrossFit method.

I'd say that's a result that should raise some eyebrows!

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