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Old 12-06-2010, 04:20 AM   #11
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Re: Vegans and performance

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Please post links to the China Study Debacle! I would love some more ammo...
The research findings of the China-Cornell-Oxford Project a.k.a. "The China Study" can be found here.

See also - Position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada: Vegetarian diets.

*All links wfs*

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Old 12-06-2010, 05:58 AM   #12
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Please post links to the China Study Debacle! I would love some more ammo...
All links WFS. Here's the Weston A. Price Foundation's response to Denise Minger's critique of the China Study (lots of further reading there too):

http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/de...d-for-all.html

Here's Minger's actual formal, cited response (reeeeally long. Settle in):

http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/08/03/the...-and-response/

So, like you have to do with any summary, read and draw your own conclusions. As usual, it doesn't really matter what works for this person or that person or Neanderthals or modern day cow herders or office workers, it's what works for you.
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Old 12-06-2010, 06:51 AM   #13
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All links WFS. Here's the Weston A. Price Foundation's response to Denise Minger's critique of the China Study (lots of further reading there too):

http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/de...d-for-all.html

Here's Minger's actual formal, cited response (reeeeally long. Settle in):

http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/08/03/the...-and-response/

So, like you have to do with any summary, read and draw your own conclusions. As usual, it doesn't really matter what works for this person or that person or Neanderthals or modern day cow herders or office workers, it's what works for you.
Dr. Campbell's critique of Denise Minger's analysis can be found here. (wfs)
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Re: Vegans and performance

And here's Minger's response to Campbell's response.

http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/16/the...e-to-campbell/

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Re: Vegans and performance

Campbell's responses have frankly not been very good nor supported by his own study...


If you're going to read the analysis at least read all of her 12 posts on it. wfs

http://rawfoodsos.com/category/china-study/
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:43 PM   #16
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That's pretty much what I do.

The worst type of vegan/vegetarians are those believe its actually healthier than eating meat..... with no actual scientific evidence to prove it too (seeing as how the china study has fallen apart).

My advice to vege/vegan is to pretty much eat meat

Why not instead let them eat what they want?
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Old 12-06-2010, 02:37 PM   #17
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Campbell's responses have frankly not been very good nor supported by his own study...
You mean to say ad hominem attacks aren't part of science?
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Old 12-06-2010, 03:15 PM   #18
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Why not instead let them eat what they want?
Because a vegetarian diet is not healthier than paleo. And they're still allowed to eat it. I mean...it's advice, not fascism
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Old 12-06-2010, 04:07 PM   #19
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Because a vegetarian diet is not healthier than paleo. And they're still allowed to eat it. I mean...it's advice, not fascism

Personally, as a vegan, I don't want to eat meat and it gets tiring really quick to hear a bunch of meat jokes or "oh my god, I could never do that". No one asked you to. I don't go around telling people to be vegetarian, I'd appreciate no one telling me to not be.
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Personally, as a vegan, I don't want to eat meat and it gets tiring really quick to hear a bunch of meat jokes or "oh my god, I could never do that". No one asked you to. I don't go around telling people to be vegetarian, I'd appreciate no one telling me to not be.
Not to speak for Steven, but the only time I would ever bring it up EVER is if someone who eats a vegetarian diet would say "gee, I don't feel very good, ever, or gee, my performance seems to have stagnated, do you have any suggestions for me?" I don't think he meant he walks around with a megaphone and a sandwich board, shouting in people's faces. Although, I could be wrong....

I seriously understand where you're coming from, Angelina, although I got it from a vegan friend who literally began to attack bite by bite, everything I was putting in my mouth. At my own bridal shower. And I was eating the food I personally picked out, and all she had to say was, "god, this is so inflammatory and carcinogenic. And this oil is so fattening. And don't you touch that salad dressing, it's probably loaded with sugar." And no one had even brought up eating habits, or paleo, or anything. This is not to say that this is representative of all vegans, and there are certainly Paleo/meat eating people that are just as bad. It's not cool, no matter what you're preaching.
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